Pontiac GTO Forum Pontiac GTO
Sponsors

» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Wheel & Tire Center

Sponsors

» Sponsor Links
»Garage Storage and Cabinets
Go Back   Pontiac GTO Forum
Register Home Forum Photo Gallery Active Topics FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


       
View Single Post
Old 03-05-2008, 03:06 PM   #28 (permalink)
GTO JUDGE
Super Moderator
 
GTO JUDGE's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lancaster, PA
Posts: 4,608
My Photos: (46)
Send a message via AIM to GTO JUDGE
This sounds like a classic case of you caused the noise, now you fix it. I'd stand fast on that. The rear is a sealed unit. If the pinion was leaking it was coming from the unit itself. By fixing the leak (putting a new gasket on I assume that's what they did, should not cause a howling noise)

It depends on what the tech did to fix the leak, did he tear it apart and not put it back right? If he took any gears out and put them back without proper backlash tolerances the gears may not be meshing right and you are hearing the results.

Did they use synthetic gear oil? Did they use the correct weight oil? Did they under fill the oil?

I do recall when my rear was howling and the old oil was replaced with new, After a couple of hours the howling subsided.

Damage done to the gears? Only if no oil was coating them and heat got to them. Wearing can cause howling too but at 62K, unlikely.The howling only occurred after the tech serviced the unit. That analogy doesn't make sense.

Your service department should make this right.

Here is some information I found;

"Many things can go wrong inside a differential. Although the hints are often subtle, most impending failures give fair warning in the form of noise.

Several situations can create ring-and-pinion noise. If the gears have been quiet and begin to howl, they are probably worn or wearing. If the gears howl during deceleration only, it’s possible that the pinion-bearing preload has loosened. Howling under acceleration at all speeds indicates that something in the differential -- gears, pinion or carrier bearings -- has worn or no longer keeps the gear alignment correct. If the gears howl while accelerating over a certain speed range, but not all speeds, it’s likely that the gears are worn due to lubrication failure or overloading. When a newly installed gear set howls, suspect the design or setup.

A common problem is worn carrier bearings, as indicated by a low-pitch rumble above 20 mph. On vehicles with C-clip axles the noise may vary while negotiating turns. Worn pinion bearings can cause whirring noises at all speeds, under deceleration and/or acceleration. Pinion bearings tend to whir, rather than rumble because the pinion is turning several times faster (depending on gear ratio) that the carrier. Badly worn bearings can also cause howl if they do not support the gears correctly.

Worn wheel bearings can be difficult to determine. A very bad wheel bearing typically makes itself heard with great clarity; it’s the bearing that is going bad, but not destroyed that is hard to find. Turning back and forth from hard right to hard left can identify the culprit; however, I’ve been fooled by right-front wheel bearings that make noise when turning right (which heavily loads the inside-left-front wheel bearing, but also loads the outside-right-front bearing).

One common situation that may not make any noise: The pinion spins, but the tires don’t rotate. Broken spider gears can render the differential immobile, and usually make a loud, crunching sound as they make their final departure. A broken ring gear will allow the differential to propel the vehicle for about eight feet at a time, then bang or grind as the section with broken teeth tries to engage the pinion. Depending on ratio, a broken pinion tooth (or teeth) will clunk about every two or three feet.

A broken axle is easily determined. After it breaks, a C-clip design axle can be pulled out of the housing without unbolting anything -- or may even find it’s own way out. On many bolt-in-design axles, the wheel will give the broken axle shaft away by cambering in at an angle.

A high spot on a gear tooth may sound similar to a broken gear, but will only make noise while accelerating or decelerating, since the spot appears on just one side of the offending tooth. A high spot on the ring gear will make a heavy clicking sound about every eight feet; a high spot on the pinion makes noise every two or three feet and is much more pronounced due to its higher frequency.

Whether large or small, differential noise is telling you something. Listen carefully! If in doubt, pull off the cover or remove the third member for a closer look. Catching a bad part before is ruins others is definitely worth the effort."
__________________
Pres: Member

Last edited by GTO JUDGE : 03-05-2008 at 04:50 PM.
GTO JUDGE is online now   Reply With Quote
 
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:02 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
  • AutoForums.com
  • Truck
  • European
  • Import
  • Domestic
  • Manufacturer

AutoForums.com is the premier network of enthusiast-owned enthusiast-operated automotive communities.
We operate more than 100 automotive forums where our users consult peers for shopping information and advice, and share experiences and opinions as a community.

Visit AutoForums.com today.

For advertising information, please visit our AutoForums.com website and Contact Us, or send an email message to sales@autoforums.com.