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Originally Posted by fergyflyer
Wrong!!!!!! Again!!!!!!
Send me your address so I can mail you a dollar. You really need to buy a clue.
The S197 Mustang GT is 3550 lbs. The supercharger adds a minimum of 100lbs to the car. That makes it 3650 lbs. The GTO is 3725lbs. That makes the difference 175 lbs from a stock GT to a GTO and 75 lbs for a supercharged GT to a GTO. Man if you can't get these details correct, what else are you off on.
The Roush Mustang stage 3 supercharged is 410 or 415 hp the next step up is the 427. I raced a 427 last week with my LT4 Vette. The guy was running 13.3. My LT4 was running about a half a tenth faster. I'd say a GTO would be about a tenth faster than my LT4 was, maybe a tenth and a half. The guy was a better than average driver too, he was cutting high 1.9's in the 60' area and was within a tenth on the tree. That's not a poorly driven car.
I've also seen road tests of the Saleen and Roush cars and in one that Car & Driver did, they compared the car to the GTO and it was a slight advantage to the GTO, but they didn't test the cars back to back so call it a drivers race.
The Ford factory supercharger isn't as agressive as the Roush and Saleen cars are. It can be modified to be more aggressive, but it isn't out of the box. If the Ford factory car is stock from the dealer trim he's going to get beat by a stock GTO.
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Nope, YOU are wrong, AGAIN-
The I only weight listing I found for an S197 GT was 3,523, but we won't quiblle over it. So let's just say the GT has a 200lb weight advantage. A supercharger kit does NOT add 100lbs to the car. More like 50lbs. So the Mustang would still have a 150~ pound advantage. I mistakenly put whp instead of crank hp earlier, and that's what I meant. The most conservative supercharger setups for the S197 put them around 415hp w/ a very mild tune, and no other supporting mods. If you don't think a 415hp S197 will light an LS2 GTO up, you're crazy. Not only will it have a horsepower advantage, it's torque curve (what REALLY matters) would put the GTO's to shame. Factor in how much better the Mustang launches w/ it's solid-axle rear, and it's game over for the Goat, unless terrible driving skills come into play.
And you're also wrong about the Roush. Not that that's surprising. The Roush 427R has been tested out of the box to 12.30's, enough to blow your piddly Vette and an LS2 GTO both out of the water. 13.30's w/ that car is awful. 100% stock to the tire S197 GT's have gone 13.30's. That guy either sucked at driving, or his time was subject to some terrible track conditions. But considering he only beat your car by less than a .1, he must have sucked.
And again, even a GT w/ the 415~hp dealer installed blower kit is going to put a GTO down. Lighter weight, better suspension for launching, and a much better power curve. To think otherwise is just denial. But then again, you leg humping GM guys seem to take that pretty well.....
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Originally Posted by fergyflyer
Again no clue what your talking about. You need to stick to the Nissan forum.
The GT500 is between a 12.8 and 13.1 according to the road tests. The ones I've seen at the track that are stock aren't breaking into the 12's. Sorry that's the real world.
The vert GT500 is over 100 lbs heavier and they are slower by a tenth or 2 so you got that right.
By guessing LT Chappa's car was a 12.5 car I was really selling him short. The C5 Z06 runs low 12's stock and can even get into the 11's with 360-370 rwhp. I was adding a tenth for weight and a tenth for tires, the Z06 doesn't have runflats, and another tenth for good measure. That puts his car, using 12.5, faster than the vert GT500 by .4 to .7 tenths. Also a C5 Vette with that kind of HP is trapping 117-118. The GT500 traps 112-114. The base C6 beats the GT500 pretty easily, and the LS2 doesn't put 360hp to the ground stock. It would be a cake walk, kinda like a GTO beating up on a stock S197 Mustang GT an easy half second advantage to the GM car in either case.
You need to get out into the real world and watch what cars actually do at the track. It will surprise you.
Most people that add a supercharger to a Mustang are going to enhance other areas of the car. With that said, a modified Mustang with a supercharger will usually beat a stock GTO. But what NJ Goat is talking about, from the description of the car, is a Ford dealer installed supercharger from the Ford Racing catalog. The tune use and the level of the boost is set low enough that the car still carries it's stock warranty. It's a very mild set-up that isn't nearly as aggressive as a Saleen or Roush. The GTO will beat it.
As far as your estimate that ANY supercharged S197 puts 430 hp to the wheels, look at the Roush. It puts well let the video do the talking.
VIDEO review of ROUSH 427R Mustang » Propeller |
I should stick to the Nissan forums??? Really??? Because I own a Nissan right??? Oh, wait, no I don't, that was just another lame-ass attempt to get off a pop-shot insult in true Fergy fashion. Maybe you should stick to the Corvette forums seeing as in how it's the greatest advent of the automotive world, and how their owners seem to have the same stuck up mentality as you.
Oh, and since you just love magazine racing so much, allow me to enlighten you-
Ford Shelby GT500 Track Testing - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine
Yeah, so much for those 12.8- 13.1 road tests. And in another test, a completely stock one went 12.257 at 117.180 mph. The ones you see are being piloted br some nad drivers apparently.
Secondly, LT's car is nowhere near faster than a GT500 Vert by .7 secs. Stock C5 Z06's are low 12's on average. His car has the added hindrance of being a Vert, having crappier tires, and most importantly, worse gearing. So he MIGHT be a 12.50-12.60 car. Maybe. If he's a good driver. Factor in a few extra tenths for the GT500 being a Vert, and if he's a good driver, 12.60's should be entirely possible. So equal drivers, the two cars times would be a toss up. By no means a .4-.7 advantage for LT's Vette like you suggest. Furhtermore, on a highway roll, the GT500's weight is going to be less of an issue, and it's horsepower advantage will give it the edge.
You wanna talk about me not knowing what I'm talking about, maybe you shold re-evalute your own standings first. You fudge the results by using stats and figures that are biased, and support your claims, which are also biased. And you're doing it solely for the fact that his car is a Corvette. If the cars being discussed had identical numbers, but only differed in car, let's say a GT500 vs modded 350Z (since you love to hate them so much), you'd be all for the GT500, taking it's side, and laying it's praise. As w/ every pissing match you and I get into, it's because you've let your own bias get in the way of making sound decisions based on supported logic and facts.
So maybe you should keep that aforementioned dollar......
