Originally Posted by 6QTS11OZ

You're starting to sound like a troll with some of the comments I have in bold red lettering. If you have facts to post then that's cool but bashing the GTO really isn't necessary. For your information there are stock GTO's (05 & 06) that have run in the 12's. If you don't want to believe that then cool... it's your choice, but it is true. And don't just look at hp/tq numbers. What about gearing? Don't you think that has anything to do with speed? What about aerodynamics? Don't focus so much on hp/tq numbers. Also don't think that I'm giving you a hard time because personally, you've always been okay in my book but you need to look at the cars being discussed as a whole. If you have a dyno sheet of a S197 GT please post it so I can see the hp/tq curve. It's best to see those types of claims rather than hear 'em. I'd admit that I don't know much about the S197 but one thing I will tell you is if it has the roots type supercharger it weighs more than 50 lbs. Don't forget to add the weight of the heat exchanger and plumbing too. I know my Maggie is a different supercharger than the one on the S197 but it is way heavier than 50 lbs.

Originally Posted by fergyflyer

Again, you need to get out into the real world. ForensicSteve gets to the track and the BEST he has seen is 12.5 from a GT500. You need to understand, that just because MM&FF's hot shoe takes a GT500 and ices down the intake and spends time prepping the track to the exact situation that he wants, doesn't reflect the real world. I've seen several 427R's that ran low to mid 13's. Have you ever been to the track and actually watched cars run on a regular basis. I'm there 2-3 times a month now and was for the better part of the last decade through 2004, at the track twice a week.

I've gotten my GTO to run in the 12's and regularly ran low 13's. I got my C5 Z06 to run 11.501 at 118 mph. I got my LT4 Vette real close to the 12's. I'm also pretty good at watching cars and being able to tell who's good and who's not. From experience. When I tell you the guy driving the Roush I raced was good, you need to either take my word for it or come up with something other than I saw this video or read that magazine to discredit real life experience.

For the Mustang's weight, I've seen 3367, 3531, 3532, 3550, 3555, 3583. I ignored the 3367, the others are all fairly close and that seems more like the weight I've seen for the V6 model. I figured 3350 is right in the middle and selected it. I looked at Voretechs website. I found superchargers listed for 50-80 lbs and I guessed at the weight of the intercooler and plumbing. I then looked at curb weights on supercharged Saleens and Roush cars, nothing was under 3650. I used 100lbs as a safe guess.

I know what the cars are rated at, like was mentioned, you need to look at the power curve of the engines and the gearing, but really that is just bench racing. When the rubber hits the dragstrip anything can happen. And it does, the 427R runs low 13's. That's what Car & Driver got and they even mentioned that now the Mustang can keep up with the GTO.

The Nissan comment was because you are always talking about them. I know you own an A4. I'm back to owning a Cavalier for now. Looks like the snob factor is headed your way. Hey that might be a good race, my Cav versus your A4. That's right you don't head to the track. There another pop-shot. You just make it too easy.

Actually the LT4 beat the Roush, 3 times too, but he did miss a shift on one of the passes. Yeah I know poor quality driver missing a shift. Yada Yada Yada. He cut a less than 2.0 60' and had a reaction time below .100 everytime. Of course your the guy that never gets to the track and could do much better. There I pop-shotted again.

Leg humping GM guys. Well that's the nicest thing you've said about me. Thanks. Does that qualify as a pop-shot??? I'm trying to reach my quota of Fergy pop-shots and it's pretty high today.

Neither you or I know what LTChappa's car will run. I'm guessing 12.5 with his mods. Again, the GT500 might have gotten to 12.257, but that took several tries and several cars by Evan Smith. He's the Mustang Hot shoe, like Ranger is the Corvette Hot shoe. Ranger has hit 11.1 in a stock C6 Z06. So you understand what stock is, I'm talking no DR's, paper air filters, just the way it came from the factory. Would I ever quote the Z06 as being an 11.1 car, nope, 11.5- 11.7 is what the factory and most magazines get. That's the real number, just like 12.8-13.1 is the real number for the GT500. Add 1-2 tenths for the extra weight of the vert and you have a 4-7 tenths victory to LTChappa. Every time. You go ahead and keep taking the worst numbers for the GM products, and the best numbers for anything else. I'll stick to my real world numbers.

You think I'm biased to the Vette, well your off again. I'm the guy that tried to get a guy that had a stock C5 to run my 05 GTO to show him the GTO was faster than a stock C5. I'm the first guy on the Vette forum to tell C5 guys they aren't going to be beating an 03-04 Mustang Cobra without some mods. I criticized the seats, the heat that transfers into the cockpit and made the comment more than a couple times that the GTO was much better on a trip. When things aren't in the Vette, or the GTO's favor I'll point it out and use facts to back it up.

A modded 350Z beating a stock GT500. I wouldn't touch that one. I'm not sure what mods you would need and what type of performance a 350Z has with what mods. I do know a bit about stock Mustangs and modded ones since I owned some and a Contour SVT and was active up till 2004 with SVTOA. I usually tend to side with a modded turbo Supra being extremely fast to the point it's silly. All you seem interested in is pissing on GM and GTO's and Vette's.

You never post anything that is remotely positive about the car this forum is dedicated to. You think S197 Mustangs are 13.3 cars and begrudge saying the GTO is a 13.1-13.2 car. Meanwhile the best GTO stock is, I think 12.7 or definately 12.8, and most Mustangs run 13.8. Let's get real, your on a GTO forum. If you hate the car go away.