fergyflyer

I decided to ignore you, but there is a comment you made that I can't.

I could easily post that the C6 Z06 is a 10 second car. There are those that have gotten Z06's into the tens with the paper air filter and the stock street tires. I call it a 11.5-11.7 car.

I could easily post that the C5 Z06 runs 11.8 stock, runs have been made and verified, but I don't, it's a 12.3 second car.

When I quote the GTO, I quote the proven test results which show 13.1 in the 1/4.

When I quote S197 Mustang GT's I quote the 13.8 that most magazines get. Sure guys have gone faster. Some have gone slower too.

When I quote the GT500 it's a 12.8-13.1 that the magazines have gotten, will they run 12.4, well you provided the link. Most don't. Most run the 12.8-13.1 that the mags get.

I'm looking at some of your posts and you say the GTO gets raped by the Audi RS6. Well if you look at the magazines test times, they are 12.6 for the RS6 and 13.1 for the GTO. If that's the case you need to agree that the GTO rapes the Mustang GT, which when that subject is brought up, you tend to lean towards a number of 13.3 for the Mustang and say they are a decent race with the advantage to the GTO. I'm reading this from your past posts.

You then say people have gotten into the low 12's with the RS6. You would be correct in saying 12.3 is a rape of the GTO, except you always forget to give the GTO credit for the 12.8 runs that have been recorded. Now we are back to an RS6 raping a GTO is = to a GTO raping a Mustang GT.

Roush's own video shows the 427R running 13.3 and I provide a video that progresses from 13.6 to 13.4. I run a guy in a Roush and he runs a high 13.3. You say that just isn't the case. An extra 135 hp has got to be worth more than that. Well I haven't seen that to be the case. My physical experience, Roush's own video provided with the car and a video of one at the track are all, how did you say, misconstruing info and giving one sided reasoning. Well you better call Roush and let them know that they are helping me by misconstruing info too. It's a problem with the power delivery. When you modify a car the hp and torque peaks change. Without changing gearing you can't realize the full potential of the increase in power. Also a higher peak, if it follows the same path to just a higher peak output, really doesn't deliver that much added performance especially out of the hole.

Or maybe your perception is not reality. Your ideal 13.30 happened on a 42 degree day with a lot of sun and a real sticky track, at sea level and with a tail wind and the real numbers are a 13.8 and a 1/2 second improvement with a supercharger.

You quote that the Mustang GT is at least 250 lbs lighter than the GTO. Your wrong, it's 175. You always seem to do the exactly what you accuse me of. You come up with something that is exceptionally good for the car you favor and then use a less favorable number for the GTO and the Vette. Weights for the 350Z come to mind too.

When someone posts a kill your the first guy here with the BS flag, or to question if the other guy knew what he was doing or that he was racing, or what are your mods.

You need to be consistant. Want to use 12.3 for an RS6, use 12.8 for the GTO. Want to use 12.2 for the GT500, use 11.8 for the C5 Z06, and since LTChappa's car actually puts down 360hp to the wheels and a C5Z06 puts a similar number, I was off most C5 Z06's put down 350-355 stock, and the weight disadvantage for a Vette vert is only 50lbs, and the tire traction issue isn't an issue from a roll, lets look at his car as being an almost equal to the C5 Z06. I've heard you say that the new 350Z gets a mid 13's 1/4 mile, you need to agree then that the GTO just rapes it with a 12.8.


The truth be told though, I'm pretty darn consistant about using magazine times to compare cars, and not magazines like MM&FF or GMHTP that have agendas, but stuff like Road and Track and Car and Driver. They may not get the fastest numbers, but they are very consistant from car to car so you know what they are equally. The Nissan 350Z is a 13.7 car. The GTO is a 13.1 car. The GT500 is a drivers race versus the GTO with the advantage to the GT500. The 03/04 Cobra is a drivers race. I've always said that. When I look at an STI or EVO, which from your posts, you'd think they are faster than the GTO, I see a magazine tested car getting 13.3 versus the GTO's 13.1. You see a track day that someone posted at 12.8 and say it beats the GTO, where, again your missing the 12.8 that the GTO has run. You always look to the best numbers from a source for cars you are comparing to the Vette and GTO and never consder the best numbers from the Corvette or GTO.

Am I defensive about the GTO yep. Easy to be when it beats a Mustang GT in a road test and the magazine gives the win to the Mustang because it's a nicer looking more popular car. It's easy to be when no one seems to give the car the credit it deserves. Then a guy like you comes in to the GTOFORUM and uses the worst numbers you see for the GTO to compare to the best for other cars. And a guy like you comes in and questions everyone that posts a kill of another car.

Am I a fanboy of GM, yep, I admit it. That's something way more honest than your able to do, admit a bias towards my favorite brand. Are there brands I don't like yep, and I admit it so everyone knows where I'm coming from. I'm definately not a fan of Porsches. They are great cars, but I don't see a cost benefit for the extra money you pay. Do I still criticize GM for failings, you bet. Am I realistic in my postings, I think so, and I've only ever been warned about 1 post in over 2300. I know of 2 that you have been warned about with only 260 or so posts. I always give props to cars tht I feel deserve it, 03/04 Cobras, Fox body Mustangs, Contour SVT's, Mercedes E55 AMG's, lets just say all AMG cars, even the GTR, although we don't know if the production version will equal the prototypes.

I guess it's fair to say I have a problem with you. I don't have an issue with anyone else on this forum. I pick on Mustang's, but wouldn't be stupid enough to run ForensicSteve for pinks in anything I've owned. I love hearing positive posts from people with cars other than GTO's and GM's. I just can't stand your constant attacks on GM's and GTO's.

So with all that said it's addios. Your off to ignore and I could care less how much you attack GM. Everyone knows you for what you are and most ignore you already.