If these cars had a race what would the outcome be because i was think about buying a honda s2000 to drive around in stead of getting all these miles on my gto.
I am not saying i am gettin rid of my gto im not i am keeping that but i am looking into buying a honda s2000 also anyone know how fast they are (horsepower) and is this a good idea?
...and the GTO are like night and day. The S2000 is a HP motor with most of the power in the upper ranges of the RPM, while the GTO relies more on the torque. I like them both for what they are. I'd like to have an s2000 for trackdays
As already noted, the GTO and S2000 are completely different. The GTO is quiet, comfortable, and has gobs of torque. The S2000 is noisy, rides like a buckboard, and needs to be run above 6,000 rpm to extract any performance. But....for short periods of time it is way more fun than a GTO.
I had an 05 M6 GTO. My friend has an S2000. The lack of torque is a bit frustrating but the handling, steering, braking all make up for it. I would say the S2000 is by far the most all round fun to drive.
Now that my commute consists of a short ride to a train station, I'm actually looking for an S2000 myself. As a weekend car and short drives in the real world where you can't use the power of a GTO or Vette, the S2000 is just way more fun. I'm on small New England roads all the time and the size of the Honda can make a big difference in negotiating tight roads.
I'm breaking my normal rule of buying new and looking for a used one. These things depreciate as fast or faster than a GTO. People buy them without understanding just how uncompromising and hard edged the S2000 is. Then, in less than a year, they trade them in for something more comfortable. You can find a 2006 with under 10K miles for $25K. Since I'm only going to beat the snot out of it on weekends, I'd rather pocket the extra 10 grand.
Good luck.
Oh yeah, to answer your original question, in simple straight line the GTO & Mustang win. On a road course the S2000 would eat Goat and Horse meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Compairing these 3 cars is about impossible. you can go back and forth forever about the GTO VS Mustang, but throw the s2000 into the mix is a waiste of typing space . The Honda is a decent car but can't be compaired to the othere 2 in anyway except that they both have 4 wheels and a motor. The Mustang and GTO will eat up the 2000 anywhere, on the street, on a track or even a road course. Just think back a few years when DRIFTING became popular, nothing more then putting a car on a road course and getting it to slideways hard and deep in the corners. The GTO came out on top and was king of the hill. The 2000 is ok in the corners but not enough HP to power their way out of them. The GTO and the Mustang can enter and exit the corners at a much higher rate of speed and when those corners start to straighten out just a little THEY ARE GONE and out of site of the little 2000
Compairing these 3 cars is about impossible. you can go back and forth forever about the GTO VS Mustang, but throw the s2000 into the mix is a waiste of typing space . The Honda is a decent car but can't be compaired to the othere 2 in anyway except that they both have 4 wheels and a motor. The Mustang and GTO will eat up the 2000 anywhere, on the street, on a track or even a road course. Just think back a few years when DRIFTING became popular, nothing more then putting a car on a road course and getting it to slideways hard and deep in the corners. The GTO came out on top and was king of the hill. The 2000 is ok in the corners but not enough HP to power their way out of them. The GTO and the Mustang can enter and exit the corners at a much higher rate of speed and when those corners start to straighten out just a little THEY ARE GONE and out of site of the little 2000
Have you ever actually driven a GTO and S2000 back to back? On a track? IMHO you are clueless about what makes a car fast. Yes the S2000 has much less torque and power than a GTO but it also weighs less by about 900 Lbs with a chunk of that coming from unsprung weight (tires, wheels, suspension components). Still, the power to weight ratio comes out in favor of the GTO.
However, power is the brute force (i.e. neanderthal) method of going fast. There are other ways. Honda has employed a racing mentality in the design of the S2000. The light weight does a lot more than improve power to weight ratios. Combined with a rigid chassis and stiff suspension the car has better grip, reduced inertia, faster reaction to road imperfections (that unsprung weight), and far less understeer. The S2000 can carry more speed deeper into a corner, brake later, and be on the gas earlier when exiting......smooooth!
Buh bye Mr. Goat and Pony!
What that means, is that the S2000 doesn't need to accelerate as hard as a GTO coming out of a corner because it doesn't lose all the speed it carried into the corner. While a GTO driver is stabbing the brakes and fighting the front tires to maintain control, the S2000 will sail by with a 5 mph speed differential. After the corner, the GTO will need all of it's power advantage to get back up to the S2000's speed. Ever tried to race someone rolling up beside you with a 5-10 mph speed advantage? You need a pretty large power advantage to overcome the speed deficit! And, the S2000 driver will likely never miss a shift because the Honda transmission is one of the best ever made as opposed to the T56 in the GTO that couldn't catch a 3-2 downshift in less than 2 seconds to save your life.....literally.
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The GTO and the Mustang can enter and exit the corners at a much higher rate of speed and when those corners start to straighten out just a little THEY ARE GONE and out of site of the little 2000
Yes they can, only they'll be sideways and THEY ARE GONE off the track somewhere near the apex with the front tires howling in protest until the rear end breaks loose. You continue to provide entertainment, thanks.
Perhaps if you actually drove the cars before offering an opinion. Standing on the gas pedal on the highway doesn't count.
Just think back a few years when DRIFTING became popular, nothing more then putting a car on a road course and getting it to slideways hard and deep in the corners. The GTO came out on top and was king of the hill.
Uh....drifting is fun but it has little to do with lapping a track quickly. It's more about subjective style and impressing the high school crowd than objective measures like lap speed. But, OK the GTO is a way better drift car than an S2000.
I'm going to agree with Wing Nut, but only with an asterisk. It would depend on the track. There are some tracks that a high powered, looser handling car is going to have an advantage over a scalpel like the S2000. Most tracks though would favor the S2000's better handling.
I'm going to agree with Wing Nut, but only with an asterisk. It would depend on the track. There are some tracks that a high powered, looser handling car is going to have an advantage over a scalpel like the S2000. Most tracks though would favor the S2000's better handling.
Granted. A track with long straights and wide sweeping turns would favor power over finesse. And I know that at some point (i.e. Z06) finesse ain't gonna be enough to overcome a massive power advantage. But cars like the Exige and S2000 are completely valid designs.....just different. And when we're talking competition like a stock GTO or Mustang vs a stock S2000, c'mon.
I tend to get pissed when someone who doesn't know what they're talking about comes out with these these generalized off the wall statements based solely on something like engine size or horsepower.
The GTO is a great value and a pleasure to drive but let's face it, the car was never intended to be a race car.....drag, road course, or otherwise.
It was a Musclecar (aka Grand Tourer). In that role, it has no equal at the price.
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