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Old 04-29-2008, 09:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Please Help Me Answer Some Questions About The GTO

Hello all. This is my first time posting, but I've been lurking this site on and off for a couple of months until recently, when I decided that a GTO would be a perfect car for me, and started visiting this site on a daily basis. I really enjoy the site, and must say that the maturity level in this forum greatly surpasses that of other forums of the same nature; I believe you all know what I'm referring to. Firstly, I would like to apologize for starting this “essay,” because half of the questions that I am about to ask have probably already been answered, but at the same time the other half most likely haven't, so I felt that it would be ok to throw in some “already-been-answered” ones. If it is not, then I apologize and will do what I can to rectify the situation.

Anyway, I thought it would be good to give you guys a little information on my driving experience and what I currently use. I earned my drivers license about a year ago, and for about four or five months, I've been driving my sisters Scion tc whenever I need it. Laugh all you want, I know I do. Especially since the plates read “lilmisstc,” though that's little mystic to you! (With me being the mystic haha.) For a while now, I've known that what I want as my first “official” car is a Pontiac GTO. I do however, have some questions. If you have the time, answer the few that you can, and I would greatly appreciate it. Also please bare with me, as I really don't know much about cars. To keep things simple, I'll make a list:

-As my first official car, is it a bad choice?

-How good or bad is the handling of the car? I haven't driven too many cars, so the only car I can ask you to compare it to would be a tc. I read online that the GTO actually handles well despite the fact that it's an American car, so I assume it handles a lot better than a Mustang.

-Is the interior really as nice as it looks in pictures? Every picture I see of the inside has me really impressed.

-Is the car as long as it looks in pictures?

-Should I get an automatic or manual transmission? I live in Queens so driving in traffic everyday is inevitable. Manual seems to be very complicated and I've never driven one, although my dad used to have a stick hatchback. Not really sure which one. I'm worried that I won't be able to get the hang of it, and as immature and stupid as this sounds, I can't really drive a “manual” car in video games, which I would think would be much simpler, considering the fact that there isn't even a clutch. I feel as though if you drive a sports car and it isn't a stick, people look down on you. I know I shouldn't worry about something so trivial, but it does linger in the back of my mind.

-As much as I like the way the LS2 GTOs look stock, I absolutely love the way this wide body kit looks:


I found a very similar kit here:
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What do you guys thing of it? It's seems to be really expensive already, and I have no idea how much extra it would cost to have it painted and installed. Also, look at the grill on the GTO in the picture, and look at the grill on the body kit in that link. The link's body kit has the grill of a Monaro I believe. Also, what happened to Lingenfelter's “Revenge” GTO? I liked the way that kit looked as well, but can't find it anywhere.

-What are the best performance mods I could get for about $3,000? I'm looking at the Corsa Sport Exhaust, but I don't know what it does to the car besides make it sound really nice. Does it add any horsepower, and if so, how much? I've heard borlas, slp loudmouth Iis, and I liked the way the Corsa Sport sounded the most, although they all sounded good in their own ways. Is an exhaust system something that you could put on by yourself, or do you need some type of mechanic to do it?

-Should the stock suspension be changed, and is there a need to add sway bars or struts to improve handling and body rigidity?

-How did this person get his grill to be indented like this, it looks very good:
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His car as a whole looks very clean and I really like it, as I do pretty much all GTO's. Out of curiosity, does anyone know what size rims those are? I wouldn't want them any bigger than that, for fear that it might start looking ricy, which is exactly what I don't want in a car.

-Has anyone heard of 360 forged rims? They look like they would be on the expensive side of the rim spectrum, but does anyone know how much they would cost specifically? The carbon fiber ones look absolutely amazing. Why are they 3 piece rims though? What does that mean? If these are ridiculously expensive, what are some nice 5-spoke rims to look at. I ask for 5-spoke because I can't really see anything else looking good on it.

-Is Top Gears review of the Holden Monaro an accurate representation of the GTO here in the US?

-Last but not least, where would I learn about the more “complex” parts of a car. I'm honestly now very good with terminology and it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable when I read this forum. For example: what is a cat or a cat converter. What are long pipes? What does it mean to get a full exhaust? Does that just mean that it actually connects to your engine, and isn't just a fart can? How does one begin to learn. I've tried searching individually for answers to questions like this, but how would I learn about how these parts work as a whole, and in conjunction with each other?

Thank you so much for taking the time to look at my thread, and for any answers or suggestions you might have for me. I really love the GTO and hope that getting one is plausible for me. Oh and are there any GTO meets in NYC or a neighboring area where I would be welcome? Sisters Scion tc and all? Haha. Thanks again.
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ohh wow, that's gotta be one of the longest posts i've read in a while, but i did read the whole thing. Alot of your questions will be better answered by the new GTO guys, but i guess we should start with the, "is a gto too much car for a 17 year old?" generally the answer is YES. Nobody on here wants to see another GTO in the ditch, or in an accident. so you will see a good number of people try to convince you otherwise. I am 19, and know i know my way around a good number of high powered cars, and can ussually gain a tenth or two by just jumping in a buddy's car at the strip. If you learn how to drive on the M6, you may end up like this poor kid: YouTube - Kid crashes father's new Mustang into garage

as far as terminology....
LTs = long tube headers = exhaust manifolds that are very free flowing (not to be confused with shorties)

cat = catalytic converter= makes your car more environmentally friendly (and restricts exhaust flow)

alot of acronyms you will hear may refer to colors, or transmissions (M6 = manual six speed, A4 = automatic 4 speed)

I would stray away from performance mods as expensive as you have mentioned, because, i believe that you will already be a little overwhelmed with a bone stock GTO. With your limited automotive experience, im still not sure a GTO is the right car for you.
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Wow, um..where to start? Welcome to the forum!
That was a very well thought out and intelligent post, but I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul. Just kidding.

- American doesn't really have anything to do with handling. The sheer size and weight makes this vehicle somewhat cumbersome.

- My advice is to thoroughly research each car you may want to own, taking into account: styling, liveability from day to day in terms of ride comfort, ACTUAL cost of purchase, cost of insurance, cost of fuel, where you want to be in a few years and if this car will fit in with your lifestyle.

- Only you and your family can decide if 13 second quarter miles are too fast, and if you can contain yourself when being goaded into a possibly unsafe situation. (look for the post, "I got baited, bad!"

This in itself should give you enough to chew on for a while. Just make sure you don't forget to enjoy this process of finding your car, it is really a lot of fun.

Again, welcome to the forum and good luck on your search.

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Oh, and as for the "Judge" body kit you have as your avitar, don't bother. Way steep.
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Thanks for the info man. I'm actually turning 19 in a couple of months though haha, though I admit that I'm still young. Thanks for the terminology clarification too. And btw, I wouldn't get any mods besides maybe a new head unit and speakers for a couple of months, most likely at least 6, and maybe even a year after initially buying the car. Oh and I completely agree about that body kit being waaaaayyy too expensive. I have no idea why these people would even ask for that much for a couple of shaped pieces of fiberglass. Why is it that a new crate engine is the same price as a body kit? A well thought out engineered and put together with care piece of machinery costs as much as some plastic. Oh and thanks for the compliment. =)

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I'm a few months away from 20. Let me tell you, if you have the means to own the car, I'd say pull the trigger. After all, someone has to live my dream!
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I'm a few months away from 20. Let me tell you, if you have the means to own the car, I'd say pull the trigger. After all, someone has to live my dream!
Do you not have a GTO? Why can't you live your dream? That sounds very sad to me. I really want to bite the bullet, I just need to save up a little more for a down payment.
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I just read on SLP's website that their long tube headers are not street legal, but I've read a couple times on this site that if you get headers to get longtubes with it because they're much better. What are long tubes and what are headers btw? Oh and here's what SLP says.

Q: WHY AREN'T SLP LONG-TUBE HEADERS LEGAL FOR STREET USE?
A: THE LONG-TUBE DESIGN REQUIRES THAT THE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS BE RELOCATED FARTHER AFT IN THE EXHAUST SYSTEM. REMOVING OR RELOCATING THE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS RENDERS ANY VEHICLE ILLEGAL FOR STREET USE UNDER FEDERAL LAW.
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Headers are a performance increasing device which bolts on to the exhaust side of the heads. They equalise the length that the exhaust gas travels from each cylinder before it gets to the main exhaust pipe. By equalising the lengths it helps balance the power across each cylinder, thus increasing the total engine horse power.
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I almost bought a 5.7L 89 GTA as my first car. My old man suggested that I look at something with a little less HP. He knew I would have ended up wrapping it around a tree and possibly killing myself. So I decided to lisson to the old man and bought a 2.8L 89 Firebird. I know now, that I made the right decision. Everyone handles responsibility differently. I can only speak on what I would have done.

Keep in mind that fuel and ins are not cheep. And when that mod bug bites you...Watch out!

If you do decide to pick one up. Keep the racing on the track. It's a lot of HP, and TQ. You can get sideways real easy. It's very tempting when a Cobra revs up on you.

As for the mods. I would suggest the suspension. There are a few weak points there that cause bad tire wear. Good tires will help keep the car on the road and are not cheep. A faster reacting IAT thermistor and or a relocating kit will reduce heat soak. Best bang for the $. IMO...

FYI JBA makes 50 state legal short tube headers. Not as good as long tube but better than stock. And welcome to the forum.
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