let me explain the differences between a roots and a procharger. roots blowers bolted on top of the engine will give you more low end torc and when set up right will give you top end performance. why:Q becuase it right on top of the cylinders. a procharger has to fill a 90 millimeter tube with pressure first not that the time is much but...every tenth of a second count. i cant give up 100th of a second. let alone a 10th roots are right friggen now. procharger next then turbo's (no way) lag time sucks even with launch control.miss a gear and start over. with roots, miss a gear and you have back that same instance...... im not dogging on procharger i love em. they have some really good stuff and there easy to over drive. but so is roots. AKA magnacharger. now. yes i have a bucket of love $$$$ in my car but really what is it you want? i run at 12.7 ambient air . one mile high. denver colorado. bandimere speed way. this is what im set up for. if i go to calf or equivalent 14. ambient air id blow up. literally.snap a rod or something.however if i was to race there id pull low to mid 10's. so agian what do you want . im safe here. water meth to control detention and one wicked tone with all my hardware. im dialed.
so. back to your question(i want my goat faster) good, we all do. thats why your here asking question . ls7 no. ls3 no. start with what you have and make it safe to drive.one thing at a time. one thing about my ls2 is that it is maxed out for all the stock parts that are still on it. look at it this way.
14 sec- 13 $100.00 for tenths
13 sec to 12 $1000.00 for thenths
12-11 2000.00 to 3000.00 for tenths (now your risking street legal)
11 and under 5,000.00 for tenths (and you will spend it on something/s)
and that's here at a mile high
drop a second for sea level you get the gist of it.
and any one out there that has played with this knows im right.
so 16,000 grand is nothing to what some guys have in there cars and still fight with 11's. or 10's at sea level. what ever. speed kills whether trany or drive shaft, axle. motor mounts . surp belts. it don't matter its an ongoing battle. 5k is just a drop in the bucket.
SO. built for you and make it safe. this is all i got to say when it comes to the mod bug. i hate the mod bug. but im bitten and still have 10-15 grand to go before im completely happy. maybe lol.... i will commend you for coming here and asking for advice for parts cuz that it key as to what works and what fails . there's a great many of us that have pumped lots of cash in to these car and pitch the parts out the door the next day. each of us will have different input on power, air assist units(super charger)(turbo's) cams lifter and so forth. even exhaust. headers so forth. one thing i can say is for the most part we all agree. because it's all good stuff. by point of preference. and nothing more. so you want mad power then start at the beginning. put what mods you have on and TUNE the darn thing. see what you got. then save your mike money as you call it and put the next mod on, then TUNE the darn thing see what you got. at some point something will brake, then you have enough. good luck hope you get what you want. but remember this. there is always someone faster then you. ALWAYS.
some good stuff there. cliff note version. you aren't "just" going to bolt on big HP. once you do you had better be ready with at least that amount of money again to make the rest of the car and engine right.
let me explain the differences between a roots and a procharger. roots blowers bolted on top of the engine will give you more low end torc and when set up right will give you top end performance. why:Q becuase it right on top of the cylinders. a procharger has to fill a 90 millimeter tube with pressure first not that the time is much but...every tenth of a second count. i cant give up 100th of a second. let alone a 10th roots are right friggen now. procharger next then turbo's (no way) lag time sucks even with launch control.miss a gear and start over. with roots, miss a gear and you have back that same instance...... im not dogging on procharger i love em. they have some really good stuff and there easy to over drive. but so is roots. AKA magnacharger. now. yes i have a bucket of love $$$$ in my car but really what is it you want? i run at 12.7 ambient air . one mile high. denver colorado. bandimere speed way. this is what im set up for. if i go to calf or equivalent 14. ambient air id blow up. literally.snap a rod or something.however if i was to race there id pull low to mid 10's. so agian what do you want . im safe here. water meth to control detention and one wicked tone with all my hardware. im dialed.
so. back to your question(i want my goat faster) good, we all do. thats why your here asking question . ls7 no. ls3 no. start with what you have and make it safe to drive.one thing at a time. one thing about my ls2 is that it is maxed out for all the stock parts that are still on it. look at it this way.
14 sec- 13 $100.00 for tenths
13 sec to 12 $1000.00 for thenths
12-11 2000.00 to 3000.00 for tenths (now your risking street legal)
11 and under 5,000.00 for tenths (and you will spend it on something/s)
and that's here at a mile high
drop a second for sea level you get the gist of it.
and any one out there that has played with this knows im right.
so 16,000 grand is nothing to what some guys have in there cars and still fight with 11's. or 10's at sea level. what ever. speed kills whether trany or drive shaft, axle. motor mounts . surp belts. it don't matter its an ongoing battle. 5k is just a drop in the bucket.
SO. built for you and make it safe. this is all i got to say when it comes to the mod bug. i hate the mod bug. but im bitten and still have 10-15 grand to go before im completely happy. maybe lol.... i will commend you for coming here and asking for advice for parts cuz that it key as to what works and what fails . there's a great many of us that have pumped lots of cash in to these car and pitch the parts out the door the next day. each of us will have different input on power, air assist units(super charger)(turbo's) cams lifter and so forth. even exhaust. headers so forth. one thing i can say is for the most part we all agree. because it's all good stuff. by point of preference. and nothing more. so you want mad power then start at the beginning. put what mods you have on and TUNE the darn thing. see what you got. then save your mike money as you call it and put the next mod on, then TUNE the darn thing see what you got. at some point something will brake, then you have enough. good luck hope you get what you want. but remember this. there is always someone faster then you. ALWAYS.
I do appreciate it. It gives me a big idea of what i want to do and what i can afford. I think i might continue with more bolt on. Like maybe a new cam, new intake manifold, new ls3 heads, and dynoed. I think that will give me some power for a couple of years. Then up grade to procharger. But having these upgrades, could i still have a procharger?
let me explain the differences between a roots and a procharger. roots blowers bolted on top of the engine will give you more low end torc and when set up right will give you top end performance. why:Q becuase it right on top of the cylinders. a procharger has to fill a 90 millimeter tube with pressure first not that the time is much but...every tenth of a second count. i cant give up 100th of a second. let alone a 10th roots are right friggen now. procharger next then turbo's (no way) lag time sucks even with launch control.miss a gear and start over. with roots, miss a gear and you have back that same instance...... ......
I like the format by which you explained in lay-terms why *cough* Maggies are the ideal choice.
__________________ 2005 GTO 514 RWHP & 489 RWTQ M6 with Maggie, Lingerfelter CAI, Kooks LT Headers, Magnaflo X-pipe & muffler, 245/275 18" tires, Addco Sway Bars, Koni, King Springs, Whiteline bushings, EBC Red Stuff, X-drilled/slotted rotors, SS brake lines, 55w HID
You are right about the prices. You can get the "old" MP112 kit for $5200 now but the new TVS is around $8K. Vendors run specials all the time for the TVS but wont disclose prices until you call them. I remember looking at the STS system along time ago and once I added all the IC, BOV, gauges, adj. waistgate, ect on the $4K price it surpast the Magnacharge system. Things may have changed since I looked at it 5 years ago.
Correction on the price of the new TVS superchargers Marylandspeed.com has them for $6-8K.
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If its not BLOWN it SUCKS!
if a procharger is what you want then get it....... maggies are better. but again, is that what you want ??????? make your car your's not becuase we all said so. monkey see monkey do. oh FYI.... DON'T WAIST MONEY ON AN INTAKE IF YOUR GOING TO SUPER CHARGE WITH MAGGIES. cam is good and ls3 heads won't hurt. C5R would be more better. again big $$$. headers are always good and cheap. new exhaust.
for a tight budget. cold air intake, headers, exhaust and a good tune. then spend the bigger buck, maggies, cam, heads,.don't get aggressive or you'll be replacing pistons and rods. if you start seeing 600 plus HP you may want to do that anyway.
maggies come with 42 lbs injectors if you want to run e85 fuel get 52 lbs and a fuel system upgrade. i could go on but this is food for thought.
if a procharger is what you want then get it....... maggies are better. but again, is that what you want ??????? make your car your's not becuase we all said so. monkey see monkey do. oh FYI.... DON'T WAIST MONEY ON AN INTAKE IF YOUR GOING TO SUPER CHARGE WITH MAGGIES. cam is good and ls3 heads won't hurt. C5R would be more better. again big $$$. headers are always good and cheap. new exhaust.
for a tight budget. cold air intake, headers, exhaust and a good tune. then spend the bigger buck, maggies, cam, heads,.don't get aggressive or you'll be replacing pistons and rods. if you start seeing 600 plus HP you may want to do that anyway.
maggies come with 42 lbs injectors if you want to run e85 fuel get 52 lbs and a fuel system upgrade. i could go on but this is food for thought.
BATMAN...... maggies are the best.
Great way to describe the differences in the power adders..... I am about to purchase the 112 mag charger kit for 5000.... i know im gunna need a clutch a lot of people running that kit here have told me thats all ill need. I already have Kooks longtubes. Im only gunna run 7-8 psi. I know i cant go crazy im just making sure that i wont be screwed once i spend this amount of money. As soon as its done being put on its going for a pro dyno tune at speed inc
Great way to describe the differences in the power adders..... I am about to purchase the 112 mag charger kit for 5000.... i know im gunna need a clutch a lot of people running that kit here have told me thats all ill need. I already have Kooks longtubes. Im only gunna run 7-8 psi. I know i cant go crazy im just making sure that i wont be screwed once i spend this amount of money. As soon as its done being put on its going for a pro dyno tune at speed inc
I have the LS7 clutch and love it. nice pedal pressure and feel and no slippage.
7-8 psi is pushing the envelop. I'm running stock 5-6psi at this point.
__________________ 2005 GTO 514 RWHP & 489 RWTQ M6 with Maggie, Lingerfelter CAI, Kooks LT Headers, Magnaflo X-pipe & muffler, 245/275 18" tires, Addco Sway Bars, Koni, King Springs, Whiteline bushings, EBC Red Stuff, X-drilled/slotted rotors, SS brake lines, 55w HID
.....oh FYI.... DON'T WAIST MONEY ON AN INTAKE IF YOUR GOING TO SUPER CHARGE WITH MAGGIES. cam is good and ls3 heads won't hurt.....BATMAN...... maggies are the best.
At the time I wanted to buy some couplers to replace the ribbed factory ones to reduce intake turbulence for a smoother airflow, which on turbo'd cars has resulted in more power and shorter turbo lag.
Even though it may not make more power with intake mods, I can't help to wonder if it's easier on the supercharger components and parastatic drag to have a free flowing system.......
__________________ 2005 GTO 514 RWHP & 489 RWTQ M6 with Maggie, Lingerfelter CAI, Kooks LT Headers, Magnaflo X-pipe & muffler, 245/275 18" tires, Addco Sway Bars, Koni, King Springs, Whiteline bushings, EBC Red Stuff, X-drilled/slotted rotors, SS brake lines, 55w HID
I have the LS7 clutch and love it. nice pedal pressure and feel and no slippage.
7-8 psi is pushing the envelop. I'm running stock 5-6psi at this point.
yea ive heard 8 without a build is pretty much the max to run..... does it come with the pulley to make it 8 psi? or does it change the psi some other way?
When I bought my car used it had all the Maggie 112 kit bolted on.
The pulley is a 2.8 and to my understanding that is the pulley that is provided in the kit which is good for 5-6lbs boost.
I heard a 2.7 pulley is good for another 50rwhp~ which is at the 7-8lbs boost.
I have almost 70k miles on the car. The only issue that I had that may be tied to more power is that the previous owner was drag racing it and speed shifting. The second gear was very notchy and eventually seized up which caused a chain reaction series of events that took out the diff, drive shaft and bracket.
That is $12k worth of damage from making the GTO do high 10's - low 11's.
Good thing that was covered by the GMPP warranty (which surprised the dealers since the car was clearly modified for much more power).
Since then I have NEVER dropped the clutch or speed shift. My races have been all rolling starts, much easier on everything.
__________________ 2005 GTO 514 RWHP & 489 RWTQ M6 with Maggie, Lingerfelter CAI, Kooks LT Headers, Magnaflo X-pipe & muffler, 245/275 18" tires, Addco Sway Bars, Koni, King Springs, Whiteline bushings, EBC Red Stuff, X-drilled/slotted rotors, SS brake lines, 55w HID
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