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Old 07-26-2006, 10:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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I am having the same problem, front right strut is blown and it has been a week with no part to be found. I was driving and thought I had a flat, went under the car and saw that the right strut was leaking, in addition the vertical stabilizer was pressed against the bottom of the strut. Dropped the car off a week ago at the local dealer and since then they have had a "nationwide search" for a new strut, I can not believe it is taking this long. I got the same reply when I asked that both be replaced "GM would not allow". In addition they are not sure that an alignment is necessary. Incidentally, my car was built in Feb 06, amazing that most strut issues are tied to this month.
Sure sounds like there was a bad batch of struts from the supplier that went into cars built in Feb. Why the change in viscosity? Was it error, or was GM trying to scrimp and save a buck? It would seem that it had to be a pretty significant change in viscosity for so many struts to fail, especially at such low mileage.

Now suppose you have two struts with the lower viscosity oil: one fails and (eventually) gets replaced with a strut containing the correct heavier oil, the other doesn't leak (at least right away) and doesn't get replaced... now you have struts with two different weight oils in them...are they both going to react and handle the same? Is one strut going to be softer or spongier than the other? Is your car's handling going to be adversely affected? Or would it even be noticeable?

There should be a paper trail, either at GM or the supplier of the struts, identifying when the oil was changed, including beginning part numbers, lot numbers, or the specific production run dates, and another set of ending part/lot/production numbers/dates when the oil was changed back, and GM should be able to isolate the suspect batch of struts and the cars they went into, issue a recall for all affected vehicles, and replace ALL suspect struts, leaking or not. That's Quality Control with traceability in a nutshell. I've got 21+ years in QA with a major automotive supplier, and this type of recordkeeping and traceability should be a no-brainer for any ISO-certified company, even more so when you consider GM only made around 40,000 goats, not 300,000 of them.
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Now suppose you have two struts with the lower viscosity oil: one fails and (eventually) gets replaced with a strut containing the correct heavier oil, the other doesn't leak (at least right away) and doesn't get replaced... now you have struts with two different weight oils in them...are they both going to react and handle the same? Is one strut going to be softer or spongier than the other? Is your car's handling going to be adversely affected? Or would it even be noticeable?

I had wondered the same thing yesterday when I learned I couldn't just replace both.
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"Luckily" both my struts failed at the same time (or both came defective from the beginning of the sale) so they are replacing both of them. WTH is taking so long???
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Sure sounds like there was a bad batch of struts from the supplier that went into cars built in Feb. Why the change in viscosity? Was it error, or was GM trying to scrimp and save a buck? It would seem that it had to be a pretty significant change in viscosity for so many struts to fail, especially at such low mileage.

Now suppose you have two struts with the lower viscosity oil: one fails and (eventually) gets replaced with a strut containing the correct heavier oil, the other doesn't leak (at least right away) and doesn't get replaced... now you have struts with two different weight oils in them...are they both going to react and handle the same? Is one strut going to be softer or spongier than the other? Is your car's handling going to be adversely affected? Or would it even be noticeable?

There should be a paper trail, either at GM or the supplier of the struts, identifying when the oil was changed, including beginning part numbers, lot numbers, or the specific production run dates, and another set of ending part/lot/production numbers/dates when the oil was changed back, and GM should be able to isolate the suspect batch of struts and the cars they went into, issue a recall for all affected vehicles, and replace ALL suspect struts, leaking or not. That's Quality Control with traceability in a nutshell. I've got 21+ years in QA with a major automotive supplier, and this type of recordkeeping and traceability should be a no-brainer for any ISO-certified company, even more so when you consider GM only made around 40,000 goats, not 300,000 of them.
My dealer told me the change was intentional to try and soften out the ride a little bit in the front end. Well, it worked. I've got a sportscar tail and a Buick front end. Wait - Monster power, no handeling? It IS a real muscle car!
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My dealer told me the change was intentional to try and soften out the ride a little bit in the front end. Well, it worked. I've got a sportscar tail and a Buick front end. Wait - Monster power, no handeling? It IS a real muscle car!

Again, that must have been a pretty significant viscosity change for it to have this effect.
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My 3/06 CGM M6 i picked up on tuesday I noticed today that the passenger side front was leaking all over the wheel. Less than 150 miles on the clock I am less than happy but I knew it was an issue before i bought the car I just figured I might get a few more miles out of it before failure. btw this car is f'ing bad a@@ I love it best decision i could have made as long as the dealer doesnt givve me any hassle.
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My 3/06 CGM M6 i picked up on tuesday I noticed today that the passenger side front was leaking all over the wheel. Less than 150 miles on the clock I am less than happy but I knew it was an issue before i bought the car I just figured I might get a few more miles out of it before failure. btw this car is f'ing bad a@@ I love it best decision i could have made as long as the dealer doesnt givve me any hassle.
Congrats on the new goat, and bummer about it leaking so soon. Replacement parts are on the way, and each strut is being individually carried to the US by an Australian three-toed sloth. GM spared no expense on this one.

I really like the cyclone gray metallic, I love the subtle blue undertones that come out in the daylight. I came sooooooooo close to getting that instead of torrid red. I had the salesman pull a red one and a CGM one around to an open area at the back of the lot and park them side by side, nose to nose, end to end, and front to back, looking at each of them from every possible angle... finally after about an hour and a half of this in 98 degree heat, I got the red one. But it was close.
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Oddly enough, my new replacement came in today. They did a great job cleaning the mess and adding new undercoating. I can't tell it was even the same car. We'll see how the strut holds out. No more thumping though. Driver's side (still original) has no issues...so far.
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I took my car in this past monday and they told me that there was a "spat" on it as well. There is no news as of yet about replacement parts. I just got the car on the 12th of this month! If it spends more time in the shop than I've owned it I'm gonna be so pissed off!
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Oddly enough, my new replacement came in today. They did a great job cleaning the mess and adding new undercoating. I can't tell it was even the same car. We'll see how the strut holds out. No more thumping though. Driver's side (still original) has no issues...so far.

How long since your dealer ordered the strut? There may have been some still available at that time or there were some already in the pipeline. Evidently those have all been spoken for. My dealer told me he would see if there were any available at other dealerships first (he said there weren't) and then he would have to order it.

No handling issues due to two different weight oils? That's good news.

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