I'm shocked there's not more outrage over this NHSTA report. All I am sure of is that I am off GM for good and will encourage everyone I know to stop buying GM products. This is the second GM vehicle that left me feeling screwed. Shame on me for giving GM a second chance, but never again. I work too hard for my money and will not waste it with an irresponsible auto maker.
So what's next a 90's vintage Ford Explorer with Firestones?
How can you justify GM's lack of responsibility by pointing out Ford's lack of responsibility? Both are liable and should be punished. Ford replaced the inadequate Firestones in that case. GM sold their explanation to the NHSTA in our case. With a relatively small number of GTOs on the road, this problem will not get the focus it deserves unless perhaps, through a class action lawsuit. My personal action is to never buy GM again because this is the second time I feel I got screwed. I expect more for 30 grand.
How can you justify GM's lack of responsibility by pointing out Ford's lack of responsibility? Both are liable and should be punished. Ford replaced the inadequate Firestones in that case. GM sold their explanation to the NHSTA in our case. With a relatively small number of GTOs on the road, this problem will not get the focus it deserves unless perhaps, through a class action lawsuit. My personal action is to never buy GM again because this is the second time I feel I got screwed. I expect more for 30 grand.
Hey lighten up will ya... I didn't justify GM's response, I was poking fun at the situation because it can happen to any manufacturer. Its a simple machine made by man, who isn't perfect so why would you expect anything built by man to be perfect? I could have chosen the 80's GM pick-up side saddle fuel tank issue (which went to a class action law suit and netted a whopping $1000 rebate if you purchased a new GM truck to replace the old one... I held off on being part of the suit, preferring to file an injury claim should I get toasted at some point in time from a side impact... which never happened) or the Pinto gas tank bomb or one from every manufacture like Audi's automatics in the 70's that put them selves in gear and accelerated off on their own.
Get an alignment after buying 235 tires and shut up already about not buying GM again or burn your goat and collect the insurance money and get whatever floats your boat.... but get off the soap box already, I've read what your going to do before and don't care... my GTO rocks and the grin on my face will be wiped off the day my roof is on the ground... I don't give a ****!!!
"Get an alignment after buying 235 tires and shut up already about not buying GM again or burn your goat and collect the insurance money and get whatever floats your boat.... but get off the soap box already, I've read what your going to do before and don't care... my GTO rocks and the grin on my face will be wiped off the day my roof is on the ground... I don't give a ****!!!"
Posted by an obvious pinhead. You are missing the point. GM made a mistake. I'm OK with that, but they won't admit it or do anything about it. This is irresponsible. Why should I have to pay for new wheels or tires? I already have at my own expense and now keep $2,000 worth of unsafe stockers in my garage. This is not fair to any of us as consumers and GM should understand that if their customers feel uncared for, they won't come back. This is why Toyota and Honda are doing so well.
To make matters even worse, I just discovered a worn tie rod end and can't get a replacement. There are none to be found on this continent. They have been on backorder since the middle of the summer and many of us have been forced to park our cars since or drive it dangerously. My dealer can't get a response from GM on this issue.
Don't misunderstand me, I really enjoy this car. It's a blast to drive, but the customer support after the purchase sucks. To me, supporting a vehicle after the point of sale is very important, if you want your customers to remain loyal and come back for their next car. Lately, I am not satisfied.
Yea, a pinhead... to the point like a prick!!! Too bad you don't get it, your still whining. Leave that for the differential!
If stock isn't cutting it most people who love their ride step it up and mod the mudherfaaker. Try going the Pedders route for the suspension problems. As for after market wheels and tires, I like the 18" TSW Thruxtons with Goodyear Eagle GSD-3 tires in 245X40X18 all around to give it a great look.
Last edited by Red Bearded Goat : 09-12-2007 at 02:32 AM.
I have experienced some of the same issues that I have read in this thread. I just want to share my experience and see if anyone has any comments.
1. I noticed the right front shock leaking around 15,000 miles.
2. I also noticed that my steering seemed to have a shimmy type of feeling in it at random times. Feels like the road has grooves and the wheels keeping trying to pull the car to the center of the grooves. Something definately changed at some point over 15,000 miles.
3. I also noticed the strut rub as early as 5,000 miles. It didn't seem like the strut rub was causing much wear on my tires. At 15,000 miles the tires have worn on the inside edge of tread, but I don't think it is exactly where the strut would rub if it was rubbing.
I took her in to have the strut replaced at about 18,000 miles. I explained the steering problem as best I could, and I mentioned that the inside edge of the tires was worn. The strut was replaced. The tech test drove the car and did not feel the steering problem. The tire wear was explained as the heavy weight of the engine causes the rub during hard cornering.
After getting her back from the dealer the steering shimmy was still there. I am almost to 19,000 miles now and the shimmy seems to be getting worse. The wear on the tires seems to be excellerating. If the wear was caused by strut rub I would expect it to quit rubbing after some amount of wear. This is not the case.
After reading the threads on this forum I checked the tie rod ends and they look like they are not attached properly, but they don't seem to have any problem. Unfortunately I never looked at them when I had fewer miles. While trying to examine the tie rods I had a friend move the steering wheel back and forth to see if the rods were loose. There is a noise that comes from the steering unit that sounds like play in the rack and pinion gears. \
I have a feeling that this play is what is causing the shimmy in my steering as well as the wear on the inside edge of the tires. I plan to take her back to the dealer this week. I also plan on getting replacement tires along with the replacement steering rack that I expect is needed.
It sounds like others have had this shimmy problem, but it sounds like it is only during braking. Has anyone else felt this while just cruising? It was really noticable at 60 mph. It is a very unsafe feeling. Luckily I typically drive slower roads most days.
With your goat and SAP package it should be an even swap if you trade
it in! Might even get some cash back, right?
hmmmm you gave me an idea.... Remove the SAP and install it on the Challenger. One of a kind... the value of that may be in the Barrett Jackson ballpark. 150K.
If I trade the SAP with the car affixed to it, I could trade it in for at least 3 Challengers.
I had evidence of strut rub and worn tires. Alignment had problems with camber (-1.4 deg) and toe. This scrubbed the inside of the tires pretty bad. Aligned (camber at -.3) and new 245 tires. I've had no strut rub issue for 10,000 miles (30K on car). Don't get a lot of negative camber, keep your front end aligned, and tire pressure at 35 psi. Move on and enjoy!
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