Problem is Cody, You and I know a C6 gets 30+ on the highway. The EPA cycle though shows it at 26. It's blended CAFE is 20. GM is going to figure that a 320hp slightly lighter C6 that gets 32 highway on the EPA test and averages a CAFE of 27 is going to sell a lot better than a 400 hp C6 that gets current mileage. Why???? Because the lower powered one is going to be 50,000 and the higher powered one is going to be 65,000. That's the only way to make CAFE work and to avoid fines. Now that they have included trucks on the same regs as cars, watch the changes we get in them. If they exempt over 15,000lb GVW work trucks, that's what the next family hauler will be.
It's not the soccer moms fault either. She wants a safe vehicle to haul her 3 kids to the game in. That was the family station wagon. Then the Government decided that we needed better mileage mandated from above. So they decided that all cars needed to get a certain mileage. Only way to do that was to make the family truckster smaller or go away. But hey guess what, the feds put a loophole in for trucks and automakers drove very car like trucks right through the hole and got the American public hooked on a nice comfortable full size vehicle. Just like the beloved family truckster, except this one was a truck and had different emmission and mileage regs.
That is why we need to make sure the government never gets control of our healthcare. They will screw that up just like they do everything they try to regulate. When you make people do something other than normal human nature, it always causes more problems than it solves.
Vote for the FairTax and take the power away from the socialist politicians that keep showing up in office. And is not the fast driver that causes accident, it is the slower driver on the left hand lane that does. Rule of Thumb for you non driving people: Follow the flow of traffic!!!!!!!!!!!
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Vote for the FairTax and take the power away from the socialist politicians that keep showing up in office. And is not the fast driver that causes accident, it is the slower driver on the left hand lane that does. Rule of Thumb for you non driving people: Follow the flow of traffic!!!!!!!!!!!
Not only the left hand lane, but the guy driving 15 to 20 mph slower in any lane. People get stuck behind that guy and swerve in front of another car to get around him. Then you have accidents.
I got into a disscussion on this topic in another forum. One of the comments made was why do we car enthusiasts feel we have a right to a car that has 400hp.
My answer was this. We car enthusiasts have the same right to enjoy the pursuit of happiness granted by the constitution that every person living in a 2500 sf or larger house does. Just like a 400 hp car or truck, most people really don't need a large house. The resources wasted by a large house are far greater than the resources wasted by a 400 hp car that is driven mostly for pleasure.
Since it's justified that you have to have housing, and you need to have transportation to survive in America today, why are we attacking just the transportation aspect of it. That's where I derive my happiness and why is my form of happiness worse than the guy down the street that lives in a 4 bedroom 3600 sf house with just his wife. Why is their swimming pool, hot tub and 48 external lights around the house ok, but a 400 hp or 625hp Corvette not ok.
What we really need is the government to get back to the guidelines of the constitution.
I got into a disscussion on this topic in another forum. One of the comments made was why do we car enthusiasts feel we have a right to a car that has 400hp.
My answer was this. We car enthusiasts have the same right to enjoy the pursuit of happiness granted by the constitution that every person living in a 2500 sf or larger house does. Just like a 400 hp car or truck, most people really don't need a large house. The resources wasted by a large house are far greater than the resources wasted by a 400 hp car that is driven mostly for pleasure.
Since it's justified that you have to have housing, and you need to have transportation to survive in America today, why are we attacking just the transportation aspect of it. That's where I derive my happiness and why is my form of happiness worse than the guy down the street that lives in a 4 bedroom 3600 sf house with just his wife. Why is their swimming pool, hot tub and 48 external lights around the house ok, but a 400 hp or 625hp Corvette not ok.
What we really need is the government to get back to the guidelines of the constitution.
Yeah but...........my house has never had a high speed collision with another house.
My house travels at exactly the same speed as every other home in the country with the possible exception of the idiots in CA who build on steep hillsides that are prone to mudslides or the slow learners who continue to live on the banks of major waterways in a floodplain.
My house can't be used as a weapon to intimidate other homeowners who are minding their own business.
Weather has little effect on the way in which I use my house or it's speed.
My excercise of poor judgement in my home will generally not impact other homeowners.
Lack of maintenance to my home might result in pissed off neighbors but seldom will it result in the death of innocent bystanders or damage to other people's property.
No, aggressive driving in high powered cars with a huge performance gap compared to the average traffic on pulic roads is not quite the same as my McMansion sucking up fuel oil, propane, and electricity.
If you want to drive 150MPH in traffic, do it on a closed prepared track with other like minded enthusiasts and emergency response crews at the ready, not public roads.
You and I absolutely have the right to own and enjoy high performance cars if we can afford them. As long as we do it responsibly without putting other people at risk. Unfortunately, every day we all see examples of a$$holess excercising poor judgement on public roads in cars that likely exceed their skill level by a wide margin. These are the agressive morons that non-enthusiasts react to, not the 45 year old guy that occasionally takes a run to 150 MPH in his Z06 on a wide open restricted access highway. Personally, I don't mind these retards killing themselves. I'm actually very supportive of their attempts to cleanse the gene pool. But, when they put my property, or my life at risk, or the lives of my family, their rights end.....period!
Yeah but...........my house has never had a high speed collision with another house.
My house travels at exactly the same speed as every other home in the country with the possible exception of the idiots in CA who build on steep hillsides that are prone to mudslides or the slow learners who continue to live on the banks of major waterways in a floodplain.
My house can't be used as a weapon to intimidate other homeowners who are minding their own business.
Weather has little effect on the way in which I use my house or it's speed.
My excercise of poor judgement in my home will generally not impact other homeowners.
Lack of maintenance to my home might result in pissed off neighbors but seldom will it result in the death of innocent bystanders or damage to other people's property.
No, aggressive driving in high powered cars with a huge performance gap compared to the average traffic on pulic roads is not quite the same as my McMansion sucking up fuel oil, propane, and electricity.
If you want to drive 150MPH in traffic, do it on a closed prepared track with other like minded enthusiasts and emergency response crews at the ready, not public roads.
You and I absolutely have the right to own and enjoy high performance cars if we can afford them. As long as we do it responsibly without putting other people at risk. Unfortunately, every day we all see examples of a$$holess excercising poor judgement on public roads in cars that likely exceed their skill level by a wide margin. These are the agressive morons that non-enthusiasts react to, not the 45 year old guy that occasionally takes a run to 150 MPH in his Z06 on a wide open restricted access highway. Personally, I don't mind these retards killing themselves. I'm actually very supportive of their attempts to cleanse the gene pool. But, when they put my property, or my life at risk, or the lives of my family, their rights end.....period!
I think you missed my point Wing.
What I was aiming at was this. We have a CAFE that limits the entire fleets fuel economy for an automobile manufacturer. We don't have anything that limits the energy usage for a home builder. So in effect the government is limiting the freedom a manufacturer has to build a car that a customer wants because it uses too much energy.
Why is it ok for a home builder to build a house that a person wants, that isn't energy efficient, while I like high powered cars and they are soon going to be regulated out of existance.
I have a friend that has a 6500 sf house. His electric bill every month is between 450 on the low side and 650 on the high side. That's the equivilant of him driving a SRT10 pickup and my 1300 sf energy efficient house uses 45-85 a month in electricity makes me a Prius driver.
Why is GM considered to be destroying the world by cranking out Tahoe's and Vette's, while it's just fine for Toll Brothers and KB Homes to crank out 3000-4000 sf houses all day long. Shouldn't there be a standard that says if Toll Brothers makes a 4000 sf house it then needs to build 6 1300 sf houses to equal the enviromental impact of the large house?
What I really think is this. The government needs to limit itself and it's scope to it's constitutional authority. It needs to mind it's own business and stay out of the peoples right to persue happiness.
As far as the gene pool, I'm completely opposed to mandatory airbags and seatbelts too. Let the idiots eliminate themselves and the average guy goes on his own in relative safety.
What I was aiming at was this. We have a CAFE that limits the entire fleets fuel economy for an automobile manufacturer. We don't have anything that limits the energy usage for a home builder. So in effect the government is limiting the freedom a manufacturer has to build a car that a customer wants because it uses too much energy.
Why is it ok for a home builder to build a house that a person wants, that isn't energy efficient, while I like high powered cars and they are soon going to be regulated out of existance.
I have a friend that has a 6500 sf house. His electric bill every month is between 450 on the low side and 650 on the high side. That's the equivilant of him driving a SRT10 pickup and my 1300 sf energy efficient house uses 45-85 a month in electricity makes me a Prius driver.
Why is GM considered to be destroying the world by cranking out Tahoe's and Vette's, while it's just fine for Toll Brothers and KB Homes to crank out 3000-4000 sf houses all day long. Shouldn't there be a standard that says if Toll Brothers makes a 4000 sf house it then needs to build 6 1300 sf houses to equal the enviromental impact of the large house?
What I really think is this. The government needs to limit itself and it's scope to it's constitutional authority. It needs to mind it's own business and stay out of the peoples right to persue happiness.
As far as the gene pool, I'm completely opposed to mandatory airbags and seatbelts too. Let the idiots eliminate themselves and the average guy goes on his own in relative safety.
A completely valid point. Which is why my sympathies generally lie with the Republican party. De govamint should stay the fluck out of the free market economy with the exception of providing the infrastructure to allow it to operate. A cental banking system, trade laws, courts to settle disputes, interstate transportation systems (roads & rails), education to provide a ready supply of talent, a military to provide physical security for our interests. All good endeavors for a central govamint to get involved in. Mandating product design requirements.....pretty futile. The market will find a way to get what the market wants whether that be a 6,000 SF house or a 600 HP car.
However, I think a 600 HP car is more socially irresponsible than the big house because the car is constantly interacting with other cars. That sort of performance difference in the hands of a jackass will (and does) kill people. Do people need a 500 or 600 HP car on public roads? Is there ever a safe place to use that potential on public roads? At least the decision to purchse a poorly built McMansion from Toll Brothers won't kill anyone.
As for social responsibility, does anyone need these massive homes? No! And I think the recent real estate market "adjustment" is causing a lot of people to re-examine their "needs". We have a 4,200 SF house with another 1,200 SF of finished space in the basement with a playroom and a bar with walkout to a 20 X 40 heated pool. The house has 360 degree landscape/security lighting. The grass and landscape plants are watered by an automated 9 zone irrigation system. The 7 channel home theater sucks 1.5 -2.0 KW when it's running. The house uses fuel oil (heat & HW), electricity, and propane (pool). Is this necessary for 4 people? Smart? Probably not. It's certainly a far cry from the home I grew up in and I never felt deprived or unhappy because of our house. Our irrigation system was kid powered. Our pool was a public beach at a lake about a mile from the house. It was also our skating rink in winter and a spot to fish. Home theater consisted of a 25" TV and rabbit ears. In fact, happiness as a kid had very little to do with the status derived from our house.
We have friends, he's a orthopedic surgeon, she's a dentist. They have a 6,000 SF home and a single child. The house has 12 ft cielings on the first floor so the doors end up being these huge tall slabs that look a little odd. What makes them look even funnier is that the homeowners are pretty short. He's about 5'6" while she is about 5'1". I can't help thinking of Hobbits when I see them in that house. They like ballroom dancing and so, have installed a dance studio complete with sound system, mirrors on the walls, and those ballet bars on the walls. Never asked but it could be a great room for sex too! Wretched excess? Yeah. Stupid? Probably. Wasteful? Certainly. Should the govamint step in? Hell no. The free market is putting the brakes on the excess pretty well at the moment. I think a lot of McMansion buyers of the past decade are questioning their decision right now. Only the market can find the answers.
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My thought exactly!!
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