It saddens me to say: whatever desires you expect on this topic, DON'T EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN. I think the G8 is all were gonna get. GM pretty much already said no to this, plus right now any new RWD outside of the Camaro and G8 is under the ax because GM is sweating the possible new emissions restrictions.http://www.leftlanenews.com/shock-ge...n-on-hold.html
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see a new Goat or Firebird, but it dosen't seem in the cards.
Whichever badge this future Pontiac sport coupe wears, it should get the same 261-hp 3.6-liter DOHC V-6 or 362-hp LS2 6.0-liter V-8 options as the G8.
Why would GM consider going with an LS2 with less horsepower than the current one, unless the Goat would be enough lighter in weight to offset the horsepower reduction?
If anything, I would expect an LS2 in the G8 with no less than 400 HP if it's going to be shared with the GTO.
Why would GM consider going with an LS2 with less horsepower than the current one, unless the Goat would be enough lighter in weight to offset the horsepower reduction?
If anything, I would expect an LS2 in the G8 with no less than 400 HP if it's going to be shared with the GTO.
I agree 100%. There is no way I would buy another GTO with less power, I want more ! more ! more!
A GTO coupe? That would be a disgrace for the GTO legacy.
I would like them to bring both the Firebird and the GTO muscle cars back, and make them bigger and better than ever before, but is it just a dream?
I hope they don't make another mistake producing a car like the GTO and pulling them off the production line to make G8's that have no history and no name. The Mustang has evolved because Ford kept the Mustang heritage alive, whereas GM let their Firebird's and GTO's fall into extinction.
Why would GM consider going with an LS2 with less horsepower than the current one, unless the Goat would be enough lighter in weight to offset the horsepower reduction?
If anything, I would expect an LS2 in the G8 with no less than 400 HP if it's going to be shared with the GTO.
I have to agree with Pearl Jam on this one, more muscle cars just don't seem to be in the cards. Should they put out a firebird based on the picture above, I would surely purchase that over a new camaro. Time after time Chevy puts lackluster interiors into their cars, while it seems Pontiac puts [i]less[i] crappy interiors in with better sound systems.
To answer the question; goat or chicken, I would like to see a firebird only because bringing back another GTO style seems like beating a dead horse.
And I'm sorry koman, but nothing can make a G5 into a cool car. It is a boxy and all around cheap looking car in and out that is only fit for 16 year olds to learn driving on and foreigners just entering the country.(yes I know it is the same platform as the cobalt.)
As far as what car should be resurrected for the good of GM, I believe after the monte carlo is discontinuted it should be re designed and put back into the market. The monte and bonneville were very solid cars that simply need a new spin on them to boost sales.
The indecisions coming from GM is getting old. GM's poor marketing on the deceased GTO line doomed this car from the start. GM talked a few years ago about bringing back the Firebird then I read NO WAY will it be brought back, there is no talk of reviving it. Now they are talking about it. The GTO is dead, then they come out and say no it's not, then they say yes it is, then they say we will disguise it as a G8. The indecisions coming from them show just what kind of tailspin they are in. So far the G line is BORING. I would expect no less of the G8 IF it ever gets past the round table discussion area.
March 25, 2007 article states an expansion of the rear wheel drive...
April 10, 2007 article states GM putting the brakes on rear wheel drive vehicles.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0704090401apr10,0,1765735.column?coll=chi-bizfront-hed
Now this article by [Source: Car and Driver] states in an article dated Jul 3, 2007 a Firebird and GTO are being contemplated.
They truly are struggling to come up with something, anything. I don't believe a word of anything they say, Bob Lutz has recanted and decanted and recanted again so much, anything coming from his mouth is string pulling.
March 25 he says expansion of rear wheel drive, 2 weeks later he says GM is putting the brakes on rear wheel drives. Then 90 days or so later he is talking about 2 model cars both rear wheel drives, one they killed rather then redesign it and keep it going.... and Firebird talk he stated before will NEVER be revived.
He's a friggin clown. Either keep his mouth shut until they have something definitive to say or come out with something other than speculation.
I don't buy anything coming from GM. GM is pounding their chest on the upcoming Camaro, they still have time to screw this up. I expect it.
Reading about their indecisions and indecisiveness is as boring as the G line they created.
If GM decides to grace Pontiac with a "musclecar" they should continue with the brand differentiation they have been working on for the past few years. It's a sound strategy and it's working for them. Lutz & co need to have the attention span to give it a chance to succeed.
That means a Camaro clone would be counter to the larger corporate strategy. Also, Pontiac needs to, and is trying to move away from the F-body image of plastic tack-ons and juvenile decals. No good will come of that association for a brand trying to be taken seriously as a performance marque.
They should either continue with the GTO badge in a grown up, big boy's coupe that is differentiated from the Camaro in price, looks, and performance content. Or create a totally new badge that is once again differentiated from the Camaro in price, looks, and performance content.
The current GTO, Solstice, and G8 are all steps in the right direction towards establishing an affordable performance brand. I'd hate to see Pontiac go back to the old practice of slapping a new grille & tailights on another division's cars. Customers expect more these days. IMHO.
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Ah, put so eloquently.
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