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Old 07-05-2007, 05:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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I would rather see a GTO myself. I am still digging the last Goat and still wishing I had bought one.
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Old 07-05-2007, 09:27 PM   #22 (permalink)
 
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LS7 as a minimum - or don't bother.
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LS7 as a minimum - or don't bother.
That might raise the price a bit......
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LS7 as a minimum - or don't bother.
Yeah, that'll happen!

How about something attainable like a 4 seat coupe that weighs in at 3,400 Lbs with an LS2/LS3 and room for say 275-18's at the rear and 255-18's up front?

GM needs a car that can do battle with the Challenger at the 35 - 40K price point and make people think twice about a BMW or Lexus. I don't think the market will pay that much for a Firechicken.

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LS7 as a minimum - or don't bother.
i agree with that one
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A 362 HP LS2 In A Goat Might Not Be So Bad......

......If the Goat's weight is reduced.

With 400 hp and a curb weight of 3725 lbs (per the Pontiac website), the '05-'06 GTO has a weight/power ratio of about 9.3 lbs/hp.

With 362 hp and a reduced weight of about 3370 lbs, the weight/power ratio stays at about 9.3 lbs/hp.

Think about what this could mean (compared to the '05-'06 Goat):

......0-60 and 1/4-mile results should be about the same,

......The LS2 (and the rest of the drivetrain) wouldn't be stressed as much,

......Handling should be better,

......Braking should be improved, and,

......Fuel economy should be better.

Of course, the cost of the Goat may actually increase since the lower curb weight may in part be due to higher usage of aluminum and even composite materials.

And, the new Goat wouldn't tread on 'Vette territory since the weight/power ratio wouldn't change.

Think I would like that!....
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......If the Goat's weight is reduced.

With 400 hp and a curb weight of 3725 lbs (per the Pontiac website), the '05-'06 GTO has a weight/power ratio of about 9.3 lbs/hp.

With 362 hp and a reduced weight of about 3370 lbs, the weight/power ratio stays at about 9.3 lbs/hp.

Think about what this could mean (compared to the '05-'06 Goat):

......0-60 and 1/4-mile results should be about the same,

......The LS2 (and the rest of the drivetrain) wouldn't be stressed as much,

......Handling should be better,

......Braking should be improved, and,

......Fuel economy should be better.

Of course, the cost of the Goat may actually increase since the lower curb weight may in part be due to higher usage of aluminum and even composite materials.

And, the new Goat wouldn't tread on 'Vette territory since the weight/power ratio wouldn't change.

Think I would like that!....

Something along the lines you describe would make sense for a Pontiac branded performance coupe in the GM lineup.
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it looks like a bigger sunfire to me not a firebird i say no way i would like to see the idea for the gto!!
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I thought it resembled the nose of a Sunbird too. Mixed in with a slight hint of Vibe.

We will never see it anyway. Those drawings will be added to the folder in Bob Lutz's file cabinet with all the other proposals.
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I think the concept on the first page could use a little more work. And a little less bandit. But I like the idea. I like the idea of both, but we know that'll never happen. It's pretty clear GM changed their mind on that initial article because of the emissions standards so I dont' think Lutz can be blamed too much. I'm not sure the engine in the G8 is going to be an LS2. I think it's called the L98. Or so says a motortrend article I read a month or so back. LS7 might be over kill. Especially with the cost and complexity of a dry sump oil system. That could be a sweet option for a camaro/firebird/gto though. I'd love to see an Impala as well. And a Monte Carlo. All of those are sweet cars and would probably get good attention from loyal gm fans like myself.

I like this idea of the rear wheel drive cars. I would really really like to see it happen. But I have a bad feeling that we're only going to see the Camaro. Then I suppose we can only hope that sparks interest.
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