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Old 07-27-2005, 10:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Just when Pontiac gets something in gear, someone strips that gear. If the GTO is killed it will fuel the fire for Ford, and Dodge etc.... and increase more sales for Mustangs, and the new era of muscle cars a like. Pontiac started the "rebirth of the muscle car" and if GTO goes belly up GM's competition will take the ball and run with it. And, if the GTO is killed we all will have something very special. I just can't believe Pontiac will abandon the GTO. I see it staying, but with a different look.
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I think it's time to barrage Bob Lutz with emails questioning his sanity! Either that or we march on Detroit and demad Rick Wagoner's head on a platter!
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Just when Pontiac gets something in gear, someone strips that gear. If the GTO is killed it will fuel the fire for Ford, and Dodge etc.... and increase more sales for Mustangs, and the new era of muscle cars a like. Pontiac started the "rebirth of the muscle car" and if GTO goes belly up GM's competition will take the ball and run with it. And, if the GTO is killed we all will have something very special. I just can't believe Pontiac will abandon the GTO. I see it staying, but with a different look.
...and most likely built here or Canada, which will suck.

The things that make the GTO such a great car that is head and shoulders above the rest of the GM stable (excepting possibly the C6 and CTS-V) is the fact that GMNA had almost nothing to do with it.

Once they get their grubbies involved, it'll be just another crappy car with a huge engine, complete with finest army-man toy plastics and third-world fit and finish.
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Yep, this does pretty much suck. But honestly, didn't we all know this was going to happen? The feeling all along has been that our Americanized Monaros were on borrowed time. It shouldn't surprise any of us to finally have confirmation that the party is nearly over. Heck, we could see the end right from the beginning! Hurray for all of us who took advantage of this great opportunity while it lasted.

Let's face it: We're not the biggest demographic out there. I think it's fair to say that the slice of the marketing pie looking for a V8, rear-drive coupe isn't a big one. But we're here, and Ford's ongoing success with the Mustang shows there's money to be made.

All hope is not lost for an affordable GM rear-drive performance car. I posted a link to a Road & Track article in another thread yesterday, and I'll do so again here: http://www.roadandtrack.com/article...4&page_number=1

Even though they're talking about a next-gen Camaro, this info nevertheless gives hope that while GM may have deemed Zeta too expensive to fit the bill for a car meeting our needs, they at least acknowledge people like us as a legitimate market that'll plunk our dollars down for a GTO/Camaro-style vehicle, and it shows that they're working on something for us.

That being said, I hope that whatever they're working on will have the interior quality and tight structure of our GTOs. What a pleasure this car is! This may have been a narrow window of opportunity, but I'm certainly glad I jumped through it.

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Yep, this does pretty much suck. But honestly, didn't we all know this was going to happen? The feeling all along has been that our Americanized Monaros were on borrowed time. It shouldn't surprise any of us to finally have confirmation that the party is nearly over. Heck, we could see the end right from the beginning! Hurray for all of us who took advantage of this great opportunity while it lasted.


Look at the bright side...this makes our Monaros all the rarer, doesn't it?
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I think it's time to barrage Bob Lutz with emails questioning his sanity! Either that or we march on Detroit and demad Rick Wagoner's head on a platter!

Let's start with emails!! I might write my 1st tonite.
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This, the CV8-Z, will be the last of the current Monaro line...the future of the GTO is uncertain...but Holden sends it out with a bang. What a gorgeous car.







...man, the looks of the Monaros kick the sh1t out of the domestic versions bearing The U.S. Distributor's lame facia. Once again- not difgging the useless hood scoops...but ya gotta love the Monaro front clip!
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Ya know,I happen to like the sport appearance package. But I have to tell ya, I love that front clip on the Monaro better than what was offered on the current SAP, or even the stock front. Why in the hell didn't GM offer that Monaro front clip on the SAP, or standard factory? That is so sweet. Hell I wish they'd a offered that color for 05' as well. I too hope that whatever platform any future GTO's are produced on have the same luxury set up we enjoy now. Everyone that rides in this car marvels at how quiet, and how well designed the in terror is. A luxury car disguised as a muscle car. On the bright side of this... If the GTO is killed , we will have a hot rarity. This car grows on you. I don't know about anyone else, but the more I drive it the more it draws me in.
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This, the CV8-Z, will be the last of the current Monaro line...the future of the GTO is uncertain...but Holden sends it out with a bang. What a gorgeous car.

...man, the looks of the Monaros kick the sh1t out of the domestic versions bearing The U.S. Distributor's lame facia. Once again- not difgging the useless hood scoops...but ya gotta love the Monaro front clip!


Excellent Pics . Love the Rear Spoiler too and the black trim around the hood scoops and the quad fogs. And the rear Black lights that the possible 06' could get...The Interior with the matching Pods and Electronic A/C adds even more class.
Can Only hope the Aftermarket makes some of these ideas available...

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They are not haulting the prodution of the HSV GTO model .GO to the HSV web and look @ the GTO over there. The HSV coupe is a GTO for the Aussie market with all the US guts and brakes.

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