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65 GTO Wheel Size

I am at the point of ordering wheels and wonder what is the go to size for wheels and tires on a GTO with big brakes. I think 17" will fit but there has to be a size that will give me the most width but not rub. My 65 Chevelle was tight but 18" IROC looking wheels fit on it with just a bit of rub in tight turns. Does anyone have any ideas or been there choosing sizes? I took my Z06 front wheel off and tried to fit it but it was way to wide?
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I just ordered 17x8 & 17x9.5 AR Torq II.....
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You have to let me know how they work out?? How did you come up with the size and offsets??
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Okay, I have posted my results in another post about "Rim" size and tire size. I am running 17"x9.5" in the rear and 17"x8" in the front. Tires are 275x40x17 in the rear and 225x45x17 in the front and absolutely no rubbing issues anywhere. I am running stock suspension for now, but just ordered a coil over kit from Viking, which I'll install as soon as it comes in.
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Okay, I have posted my results in another post about "Rim" size and tire size. I am running 17"x9" in the rear and 17"x8" in the front. Tires are 275x40x17 in the rear and 225x45x17 in the front and absolutely no rubbing issues anywhere. I am running stock suspension for now, but just ordered a coil over kit from Viking, which I'll install as soon as it comes in.
Hey Joe! I too am looking at the Viking coilovers. Who did you buy them from and what bring rates did you get ? (I am considering the 550# front & 150# rear.) I also will be installing inexpensive front upper and lower control arms (ebay) and Spohn rear del sphere (think heim joint) arms, along with new centerlink and inner and outer tie rods.

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4 speed Muncie
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The Viking kit I ordered is for a GM "A" body, '64-67'. The springs in this kit are street springs as I'm not racing and or auto crossing. I think you can get it with either regular or big block springs, depending on your motor. I am using my stock A arms and not replacing them. On the rear setup, re-using my original stuff as well. Already boxed and new bushing in my 4 link a couple of years ago and all are still in great shape. The main reason I am doing this is for stance and ride quality, the rear coil overs come with a two position setup for the shock, then you can adjust away to fine tune it after. The front I'm looking at dropping an inch to 2 inches and that is enough for me.


I ordered this kit through a local Resto shop, who are a dealer for Viking, and they ordered directly from Viking, so I got the dealer price which is nice. Remember, up here we have to pay tax, import duties and exchange rate on the dollar, so it adds up.

I'm away from home right now for work, doing training for a customer who just bought new Co-gen generator system, from my company, We're a CAT Dealership, so when I get back home this week, I'll find my order sheet and post the details.


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You have to let me know how they work out?? How did you come up with the size and offsets??
American Racing determined the fit. I should have them installed next week and will let you know.

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Hey Joe! I too am looking at the Viking coilovers. Who did you buy them from and what bring rates did you get ? (I am considering the 550# front & 150# rear.) I also will be installing inexpensive front upper and lower control arms (ebay) and Spohn rear del sphere (think heim joint) arms, along with new centerlink and inner and outer tie rods.
cij911,

I found this on-line, this is the kit I ordered. Front spring rate is 550 and the rear is 150. Once I get it and installed, I'll post up, before and after.

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You have to let me know how they work out?? How did you come up with the size and offsets??
You'll need a BS of at least 5" in the rear and 4.75" in the front, if your using 17" rims. I have attached a page from another forum, that covers what guy's are doing with rim and tire size.

"I have a 65 (but identical to 64). I have 235/45/17 on front and 255/50/17 on rear . Wheels are 17X8 with 4.5" backspacing all the way around. If I were to do it again I would go with 5" of backspacing on the rear, had to roll quarter lip slightly to fit.


I went with Torque Thrust II's on mine. 16x8 on all four corners with a 4.75 backspacing. I also went what some would consider conservative on the tire sizing. 235/60x16 in the rear to get the stock 27.1 diameter. 215/55x16 on the fronts. The additional height was not wanted, and larger tires would have hit when turning. I also added Hotchkiss lowered coils with an additional 1/2 coil removed. I have plenty of clearance on turns, and in the rear wheel wells. Just about 1/2 inch on the inside and outside.


Here's a shot of my own '64 Tempest that rolls on 17X8" rims (4-1/2" backspace) shod with 235/45-17s.


Torq Thrust IIs 17X8. 4.75" Backspacing. 235/45/17 tires all around.


I have 15X8 w/ 4.75 backspace and 275-60-15s on the rear of my 65 (same body as 64s) and they are tight - have about 1/2 inch clearance to the fenderlip and about 3/4" between the tire and frame on the inside. Tight but it doesn't rub!


I've got a newer 12 bolt (1" wider) in my 65 and went with a 15 x 8 with 5.25 backspacing for the rear. Didn't think a 275 would fit without rolling the lip so went with a 255 width.


If you have the original rear you should run P275/60R15's on a 15x8 rim with a 4 1/2" backspacing. If you are running a later year rear end you can run the same tires but use a 5" backspacing because the overall width of later rears are wider. I'm running P275/60R15's on the back of my 65 that has a later 69ish rear. I'm using a 15x8 rim with a 4 1/2" backspacing and 0ne side just touches the inside lip of the wheel opening slightly. If I had a 5" backspace they wouldn't touch at all.


I am having similar rubbing problems with 17x8 (4.5" BS) wheels on my '65 Lemans. Tires (245/45) rub on rear lower lip of the front fenders, and a little on the upper lip when the suspension compresses.


15x8" front & rear. 4.5" backspacing front - 4.75" backspacing rear. 235-60x15 front, 255-60x15 rear. (275-60x15 should work in the rear with 5" backspacing).


Boyd 16X8 with 5 1/8", 245/50-16 front and rear, and 255 may fit.


Rear Axle on my 65 GTO (from a '65 Chevelle 12-bolt) is 60 inches wide measured from the outboard edge of flange to flange. My 15x8 wheels use 5 inch backspacing to center a 275x60x15 nicely in the wheel well.


I run a set of 235/45-17s on 8" wide wheels all around on a '64 Tempest (same wheelwells as a '65). The wheels have a 4-1/2" backspace and sit a bit towards the outside of the wheelwells for a wider stance. I know 245/45-17s would fit in back, up front they would probably interfere a bit on the outer part of the inner fender near the fender lip on big bumps. I am running a stock width rear axle.


To better center the rear wheels in the wells a 5" backspace would be ideal. I think you could use a 255/40-18 and have a good fit on the 18X8" wheel with a 5" backspace. Up front if you want to use a 17X7" wheel a 4-1/2" backspace would be close to ideal, a 235/45-17 tire would be a good fit. If you decide to use a 17X8" up front you could use a 5" backspace and tuck a 245/45-17 in there.


17x8 wheels with 4.5" backspacing WILL rub on a 65 if you have 245/45-17 tires on the front. B-man is right--a 5" backspace on the front would do the trick. I have the same tires with 4.5" backspace on the rear and there's plenty of room.


I have 17x8 on the front, 5.25" BS, 245/45-17. On the rear are 17x9.5, 5.75" BS, 275/40-17. This is a 65 Lemans, no alterations whatsoever on the wheelwells. I do have Baer brakes front and rear which push the wheel mounting flange out about 1/4," so subtract 1/4" from the backspacing numbers if you have stock brakes. This wheel combo looks and performs fantastic! I didn't think I could get so much tire in back, but a friend clued me into the correct backspacing, and it's available as a custom order on the American Racing TT2.


I ended up with 235/60/15 front, and 245/60/15 out back on rims with 4 3/4 backspacing. The fronts fit nice with no rubbing and a nice diameter, the back also looks great, nice width. If you really want all 4 the same then 235/60/15 tires are the way to go.


No rubbing at all with 9 wide 18 rims. Once had 9.5 wide rims and they JUST cleared. That is the max with a 255/45/18 tire. With 17s, you can run 8 wide with 4.75 backspacing all the way around and then be able to rotate the tires. Use 245/45 all the way around or go 50 series in the rear. Out back, a 9 wide 17 rim with 5 backspacing should be okay with a 245/45/17.


The fronts are 8" wide w/ 5" backspacing with 245/40 -8 tires (could use 4.75" b/s and would be ideal). The rears are 9" wide with 5.10" backspacing and 255/45 -18" tires. Also, rim backspacing depends on your rearend width (64-66 year width or a later on which is 1" wider) and if you have disc brakes. I am also doing a 65 GTO with 4 wheel discs & Hotchkis springs but may have to use 2" dropped front spindles to get it to sit like the Tempest. The rims are the same width but the rear rims have 5.20" backspacing.


17" Torque Thrust II's - 8" wide rims up front and 9.5" rims at rear. The rear rims are special order from AR with 5.875" backspacing and the fronts are off-the-shelf, but I had to get them backspaced further as the tires rubbed. Tires are 275's out back and 245's up front."
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Lots of great info!

I have 17x8 on the front, 5.25" BS, 245/45-17. On the rear are 17x9.5, 5.75" BS, 275/40-17. This is a 65 Lemans, no alterations whatsoever on the wheelwells. I do have Baer brakes front and rear which push the wheel mounting flange out about 1/4," so subtract 1/4" from the backspacing numbers if you have stock brakes. This wheel combo looks and performs fantastic! I didn't think I could get so much tire in back, but a friend clued me into the correct backspacing, and it's available as a custom order on the American Racing TT2.

Will willwood brakes front and rear change the backspacing? I guess I will find out when I call American Racing?

Thank you for all the input.

I like the idea of big wide rear rubber but will propbibly go with a bit less just to be sure I get no rubbing issues.
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