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Buyer Beware GTO on eBay

Just wondering if any members are bidding on a Ram Air IV GTO on eBay?

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The GTO up for bid has had a body/VIN swap -- plus the particulars of the auction description cause me a great deal of concern. Whoever wins this auction is gonna regret it. "caveat emptor."
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not bidding but how do you know about the vin swap?

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Yeah, it's an oddball.
The PHS indicates it was a non-A/C, vinyl top car.
You need to go into this one with your eyes wide open.

It has been re-listed several times.

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Doing some research using the VIN take a gander:
Listed as Black shown in O.O.
End 1-25-2013
Sold 19,900
Seller: Sweet Muscle
10 miles??????

Either the car didn't actually sell for some reason or.......

First sentence: 3 day auction !!!!!!! this is a steal .. LOL maybe it is? lol

VIN: 242370Z135389 - Pontiac : GTO BLACK 1970 RAM AIR IV GTO PHS DOCUMENTED !

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The PHS indicates it was a non-A/C, vinyl top car.
The body the GTO has at this time is an A/C body -- no doubt the hidden VIN on the body won't match up with the VIN plate. The seller declined my request to provide a photo of the Fisher Body Cowl Data Tag -- the GTO was originally Green with a Black vinyl top...

The seller is a car guy and should know what "Matching Numbers" means -- yet he never says it's a numbers car. When he says "correct" he's betting bidders will assume he means "original." Seems kinda shady.

I'd love to have a Ram Air IV, but can you imagine taking the GTO to the GTO Nationals and getting raked over the coals by the judges? Embarrassing, eh?

It's sold before, but apparently the buyer backed out of the deal upon closer inspection?
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Very curious why seller wouldn't post engine photos in the ad, if it's really a RA IV car.

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1970 XP block comes back as a california F-body RAIV or a california Judge RAIV if thise sight is correct.


XP F-body 70 400 370 Turbo 400 L-67 1x4 9799915 4 Califorina Ram Air IV
XP A-body 70 400 370 Turbo 400 L-67 1x4 9799915 4 GTO Judge Califorina Ram Air IV


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"1970 GTO Black RA IV, this is a steal..."
Some idiot buys it and figures it has been stolen. Chinese scammer: "told ya "
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It really is buyer beware. If someone buys that car without doing their homework it's their problem as I see it. Pontiacs are so easy to verify how it came from the factory with the PHS and information available online. Swapping vin tags is a crime so the FBI is probably talking to this guy already.


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