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Hey guys,

I recently grabbed a '67 GTO but nothing historical prior export from US is known.

I've been thinking a lot for using the phs, but is it worth $75.00 international for a few "coded" sheets? I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶a̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶t̶o̶r̶y̶ ̶b̶i̶l̶l̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶l̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶i̶e̶l̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶p̶p̶e̶r̶ ̶l̶e̶f̶t̶ ̶-̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶d̶o̶c̶u̶m̶e̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶w̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶Z̶o̶n̶e̶/̶D̶e̶a̶l̶e̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶/̶w̶a̶s̶?̶ Found a dealer chart here

And c'mon it's 2014 and i have to print out and mail or fax in the request? Really? *sigh*

I assume there is no other way or service to get hands on any info for my vehicle?

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Sascha

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PHS is the best I know of. They can provide thorough documentation based on your VIN. Is it worth it? I think so.

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The value of the PHS Documentation depends on what your objective is: are you restoring the GTO and want to know what options were original to the car? If you buy the PHS you get a copy of the options that were ordered on your GTO (including the original prices, and the name and address of the dealer), plus a bunch of fluff. It's pretty expensive for what little data you actually get, but for a restorer it can be an invaluable resource.

On the other hand, if you want historic information on the '67 GTOs you're much better off looking at those books about the GTO that are available from a Bookseller (like Amazon.com).
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Other than providing options, that PHS will determine if the car is a GTO or not.

When shelling out $$$ on a car and relying on just the word of someone you don't know ........ The money spent on the PHS MAY save you a lot of money if you end up buying a fraud.

The PHS is very valuable as it will identify the car. ESPECIALLY on the years the GTO shared the same VINs as non GTOs......

Getting a GTO? Get the PHS FIRST. Shelling out a lot of money on a GTO then for 75.00 that will identify that car not get it because it because it costs too much? That be the best 75.00 you spent. In time if you want to sell the car ...... One of the first questions a prospected GTO enthusiast will ask you: Do you have the PHS?

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Agree on the value of phs. I have researched 64 GTOs for about 18 month. I would not even start really investigating the car without seeing or buying the phs first. There are other great resources for identifying block,head, axel ,etc codes. One is pontiac power. It is good to verify date code with car. On the forum there is a cowl tag decoder which works very well. These are no cost. Good luck.


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Other than providing options, that PHS will determine if the car is a GTO or not.
On a 67 model, the VIN will tell you if it is a GTO or not.

But I agree, the PHS is nice to have to verify how the car came from the factory. Of course, the cowl tag on a 67 gives you a lot of info as well.
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I have known about PHS for a long time and to me its worth the price. I will be placing an order soon to get the stats on my new old 65 LEMANS i just purchased but i do agree the fax/purchase process is a bit of a pain or it would already be done. I just have to get to a fax machine.
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On a 67 model, the VIN will tell you if it is a GTO or not.

But I agree, the PHS is nice to have to verify how the car came from the factory. Of course, the cowl tag on a 67 gives you a lot of info as well.
I was referencing GTOs that shared the same VIN and how the P H S would be necessary to identify it as one.

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I was referencing GTOs that shared the same VIN and how the P H S would be necessary to identify it as one.
I see how that could be a problem for those who own those model years where GTO was an option and not a separate model.

I can see where "clones" are common with these models and some form of authentication would be required. PHS would be the best source for this.
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I see how that could be a problem for those who own those model years where GTO was an option and not a separate model.

I can see where "clones" are common with these models and some form of authentication would be required. PHS would be the best source for this.
Agreed. In fact, my one is a true GTO according to the plates and tags. As far as it is my concern, I primarily want to know something about this specific car's history, since I don't have the original titles or other docs prior export to Europe and registration in Germany

Well I will think about it once more...

Thank you all for your thoughts.

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