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How do I know if it had vinyl top?

Going to look at a 67 GTO tomorrow. Some cracking in paint on back near top. I'm always concerned it may have been an original vinyl top that someone removed and fiber glassed to paint. Is there a way to tell without the PHS info?
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Not really. Vinyl top and painted top (two tone) cars had stainless steel trim around the bottom of the C-pillars. If the holes were filled, you should be able to see from inside the trunk. Bring along a good flashlight, and maybe a mirror.
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Pics shown. Been wanting a GTO for a long time. Guy has owned it since 97 and did a restore about 10 years ago. He said it has been in storage most of that time. Said it was no rust and someone did a bad paint job. Going to inspect it better tomorrow with cash in hand.
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Like GeeTee said get a good look in the trunk and up at the rear deck panel from below, the rear window area is notorious for leaking and causing rust in the trunks. Second Barrier Blue car i have seen in as many weeks, good to know there are more out there. If the roof pillars did not have rust before the paint they do now under the paint.

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If the car had a vinyl top you would be able to id this option by the PNT code on the data plate,

The first letter code is for the body paint color and the second code is for the roof color, If the car had a vinyl top the second code is a number, 1=white, 2=Black and 7=Cream.

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A PNT code of R2 would be a Regimental Red with a Black Vinyl top and would use the trim.
A PNT code of RA would be a Regimental Red with a Black Painted top and would also use the trim.

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Does this help? Is F-2 the number you are talking about? Does that mean the car should have a vinyl top? I planned on buying it tomorrow, but if the top has been redone I am wary of that. Any help on vin would be appreciated. I know it is 67 gto 2 door hard top. No idea what everything else means.
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Find another car. The pine needles all wedged under the hood and trim (highly acidic!) and bubbling bondo on the C pillars tell me that this car was stored under trees outside for a long time. The engine compartment bears this out, as well. Rough. This car will need extensive rust repair, and possibly a new roof, IMO to be solid again. I would not pay over 3k for the whole car, seriously. You will be upside down in a heartbeat. I have NEVER seen a C pillar split like that....my be is it's rusted out completely under the filler.
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Owner just called. He said it had black vinyl top he pulled off during restore 10 years ago. Claims there was hardly any rust. He said the paint never cured correctly and that happened within a year. It is sitting under a pine tree right now. We are going to take a look with magnets.
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The condition of the carpet is another indicator. Take off the sill plate and you can pull it out from under the kick panel. Pull the insulation back as well. Take the back seat out. Push in at the bottom on the middle of each side. Once you have pushed in as far as you can, lift up and pull out the seat. I found rust on mine under the seat from the moisture that can seep in from all kinds of places. It'll also give you an indication of the condition of the springs. You can then take the upright part out. 2 bolts. That'll also tell you how bad the leaks have been.
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Well, from the pictures posted, there is now plenty of rust in the C-pillar area of the roof. I had a rear bumper stored in an outbuilding under a pine tree. It was on a work table. Roof got a hole in it, pine needles sat on the bumper for a few years,and voila: instant chrome-foil. There was nothing left of the bumper but some chrome flakes and rust. When I picked it up, it fell apart. Weighed about 8 pounds!! This car has had severe weather/corrosion damage and what you see is just the tip of the iceberg.
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