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For those who wondered why it was Pontiac that was killed: According to a former GM executive in seminars he gives and I have personally attended and heard first hand, this news falls right in line with what he said in the seminars and in print in Pontiac publications: Part of this decision was made to appease the Chinese who revered the Buick brand as a symbol of status. This dates back to WWII when our military generals drove Buicks.

The Chicons viewed this as a sign of status, if you drive a Buick you were someone. Although poor decisions by GM and its mismanagement over the years certainly contributed to Pontiac’s demise, the decision to terminate Pontiac over Buick despite Pontiac outselling Buick was ordered by the Obama Administration. This was not a financial decision, it was a decision made to appease the Chicons. Revelations by Bob Lutz now come out.

Most also have no idea GM was caught breaking into the offices of Jim Mattison owner of PHS. Jim acquired all the Pontiac historical data legally in court many years ago. Pontiac Historical Services.

Jim got a call one night and was told GM broke into his offices to STEAL all the historical data on Pontiac. Jim arrived just in time with the Police to thwart the theft. Had he not, all historical data on Pontiac would have been destroyed.

Jim was harassed spied on followed and intimidated by GM as they filed suit to get back the information Jim acquired legally. Long story short, Jim and others liquidated personal autos etc to SAVE this information from being purged.

Jim WON in court.. however in the settlement, Jim agreed to eliminate the name Pontiac in the PHS........... The P is now an initial and is no longer recognized as PONTIAC.

If you ever have a chance to talk to Jim or attend one of his seminars you'd be surprised at just how far GM went to purge Pontiac from history.

It's about time word from someone like LUTZ gets out....... Thank this Administration for Pontiac's elimination.

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A new redesigned GTO was on the horizon:


Get Sad Because Bob Lutz Says Pontiac Was Going To Make A New GTO

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Big gov has no place in the business sector and vice/versa. What are they gonna do next?
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Big gov has no place in the business sector and vice/versa. What are they gonna do next?
Well, their ready to control your Healthcare.... we have not seen nothing yet. The worst has yet to arrive........

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Interesting points, but remember... The bailout was requested and approved during the previous Administration. The details of course were left to be hammered out in the current administration and difficult, painful decisions had to be made. Sucks, but the fallout from a complete failure were likely much worse.

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Well, their ready to control your Healthcare.... we have not seen nothing yet. The worst has yet to arrive........
Don't remind me.

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Don't remind me.

Bear, your thread over at PY is closed, you big trouble maker, you
That's ok with me. My goal was never to start an argument, just to get the information out so that people could do with it as they please.

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Why Poncho Died

Pontiac was always the division in search of an image. PMD was always looking for a niche in the car sales game but never really finding one (think back to all the various slogans PMD used in advertising). When PMD stumbled across the performance image in the '60s they prospered. When new management took over during the '70s the performance image suffered greatly, and the division's final attempt at being an affordable euro/BMW-esque brand was foolish. PMD was always the division on the ragged edge -- I'm actually surprised Oldsmobile went down the tubes first.

But the action that really sealed Pontiac's fate was every time a Japanese import sales contract was inked. If I have to explain it to you, you won't understand.
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Really is a shame when you look at the Buick market in this country. How often do you see a Buick (2007 or newer) on the road? How many of those Chinese loved SUV's do you see?

When the decision to can Pontiac happened, I thought they have dropped Chevy trucks and SUV's and just had the GMC line. If they had done that Pontiac would probably still be here.

Just think, it could have been just like our younger days with Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers and goats being bad ass out on the streets again. Oh, those were some great times.


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