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I have 1970 GTO Ram Air III. Engine has horrible pinging with 91 octane. The mechanic told me to put 93 octane, change the spark plugs to R44S, and install DUI distributor. The car now has a cheap distributor (I think made in China), and hot spark plugs. I found the AcDelco R44S in ebay, but they are expensive. Is there any alternate brand that is same to the R44S (Autolite, NGK, Accel, etc..)? And is the DUI distributor a good choice?

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70 RA III is 10.5:1 CR if stock - so you should burn the highest octane pump gas you can.

With pinging/knocking are you sure it has the correct timing? Might be too far advanced.
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70 RA III is 10.5:1 CR if stock - so you should burn the highest octane pump gas you can.

With pinging/knocking are you sure it has the correct timing? Might be too far advanced.
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integrity6987 is correct. If factory 10.5:1 compression, 93 octane will not cure the detonation. You need to get up around 100 octane either through racing gas or an additive.

You can try the colder heat range, but it won't cure detonation where octane is the requirement. Cooler plugs may be something to try - it can work to a point, but they can also foul easier if doing easy driving or city driving. So if you don't like to "exercise" the engine, you may gain nothing.

Adjusting your timing can be a bandaide of sorts by backing the timing down - retarding it. You will lose horsepower and if you begin to go too much, the engine could begin to run hot on you.

Detonation/pinging can damage/destroy the engine very quickly if you do not immediately back out of the throttle as soon as you hear it. However, you can still have this taking place and not hear it.

For this reason, most people when building an engine with iron heads will use dished pistons during the rebuild to drop the compression down closer to 9.0-9.3:1 or go with a larger CC chamber head - unless you are using aluminum heads.

You also want to get your engine to run cool, so you want a very efficient cooling system that works properly. Heat is your enemy and more so with higher compressions. Highway gearing and the heavy weight of the GTO's also add to engine loading which can also contribute to engine detonation.

That said, my opinion, I would first try running the tank near dry and add 10 gallons of racing fuel and see what you have. Do a local web search of gas stations near you that offer 100 octane racing gas. Some local stations do offer this at the pump. It is about $7.00 a gallon last I knew, so not inexpensive.
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integrity6987 is correct. If factory 10.5:1 compression, 93 octane will not cure the detonation. You need to get up around 100 octane either through racing gas or an additive.

That said, my opinion, I would first try running the tank near dry and add 10 gallons of racing fuel and see what you have. Do a local web search of gas stations near you that offer 100 octane racing gas. Some local stations do offer this at the pump. It is about $7.00 a gallon last I knew, so not inexpensive.
In my area I couldn't find any pumps carrying "race" gas but my nephew who is a big race fan turned me onto the local sanctioned drag strip who had VP 110 octane race gas for $7 a gallon. What a difference! So if you don't find any pumps that have it, try your local drag strip. IMHO.
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What Jim said you can take to the bank. BTDT with many Pontiacs for many years. I ended up installing 87cc heads on my '67 GTO to drop the compression, and it barely squeaks by with 91 octane with 9.3:1 CR. My '65 has to have race gas or boosted gas at 100 octane in order not to ping. (stock 64cc heads milled with forged flat-top pistons). I don't drive the '65 much.
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