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Need quick advice on paint repair

So my 68 GTO was repainted in its original Solar Red sometime in the past ten years (with base/clearcoat). A good job overall but there are some flaws in the passenger rear quarter panel near the trunk lid. They are confined to the area in my photo, with the exception of a few similar flaws about 6 inches away on the same panel towards the right. Wanting to fix this, I've asked around and this is what I've been told:

1. Two body shops that specialize in classic cars have told me that attempting to repaint just that area and blend it in won't result in a satisfactory job. Instead they say the entire panel needs to be redone, and of course that single panel on a GTO coupe is half the car. One of the shops say there will be some improvement with just a good polish and wax.

2. A mobile paint-repair dude who has a good reputation tells me he can do a blend. However I'm a bit skeptical. He's just going to order the paint, come out to my garage for a morning, and wham-blam? I know the car was repainted in the original code but isn't some work to match the paint necessary?

So. At this point I'm leaning away from the mobile dude since if he screws up I'm basically forced into a $4k paint job (for the whole panel, and maybe even the trunk lid too if he blends into that). Advice?
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So my 68 GTO was repainted in its original Solar Red sometime in the past ten years (with base/clearcoat). A good job overall but there are some flaws in the passenger rear quarter panel near the trunk lid. They are confined to the area in my photo, with the exception of a few similar flaws about 6 inches away on the same panel towards the right. Wanting to fix this, I've asked around and this is what I've been told:

1. Two body shops that specialize in classic cars have told me that attempting to repaint just that area and blend it in won't result in a satisfactory job. Instead they say the entire panel needs to be redone, and of course that single panel on a GTO coupe is half the car. One of the shops say there will be some improvement with just a good polish and wax.

2. A mobile paint-repair dude who has a good reputation tells me he can do a blend. However I'm a bit skeptical. He's just going to order the paint, come out to my garage for a morning, and wham-blam? I know the car was repainted in the original code but isn't some work to match the paint necessary?

So. At this point I'm leaning away from the mobile dude since if he screws up I'm basically forced into a $4k paint job (for the whole panel, and maybe even the trunk lid too if he blends into that). Advice?
Red is tough color to match - just like silver/grey. Being 10 years old, you would need to add a can of "fade" at just the right amount. Problem is, they don't sell a can of "fade."

So you can certainly try the blend which may come out OK - some guys are indeed that good. If not, I would not be disappointed and then I might shoot the quarter to make it match, but it may or may not match the rest of the car. So the next step would be to repaint the entire side masking off at the upper edge/body lines to make a break. That way you would see the side as its color, tops of the fender/hood as its color, and top of quarter/trunk as its color - each being seen as a "full" panel of red that matches as opposed to a single panel that does not match the adjacent panels.

This is my opinion with what limited painting I have done in my past using enamel paint, not the current base/clear coats. Red was a tough color to match. Others will chime in and also give you suggestions which may be much better.
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Your logic is flawed IMHO....A good mobile guy could easily fix that and if you're not happy then you can always take it to the body shop and have them paint the entire panel.....With the mobile guy, I'm guessing it will take 4 - 5 hours and ~$500 and you should be very happy.

In terms of matching the color, they will start with the code and then should use a color machine to get the precise mix. If done properly, you'd be hard pressed to find it...

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Your logic is flawed IMHO....A good mobile guy could easily fix that and if you're not happy then you can always take it to the body shop and have them paint the entire panel.....With the mobile guy, I'm guessing it will take 4 - 5 hours and ~$500 and you should be very happy.

In terms of matching the color, they will start with the code and then should use a color machine to get the precise mix. If done properly, you'd be hard pressed to find it...
Hmm.... well if so that's very good news. It still bothers me though that the two body shops absolutely insist it cannot be blended. One argument is that they are saying that just to drum up business for themselves (an expensive panel repaint). Or maybe they have no experience with blending, but that seems hard to believe since it appears to be a very common skill learned by paint professionals in the industry. Or they know something the mobile guy doesn't. The bottom line is I hate having multiple sources, all of whom are highly reviewed and respected, giving me differing opinions.
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Hmm.... well if so that's very good news. It still bothers me though that the two body shops absolutely insist it cannot be blended. One argument is that they are saying that just to drum up business for themselves (an expensive panel repaint). Or maybe they have no experience with blending, but that seems hard to believe since it appears to be a very common skill learned by paint professionals in the industry. Or they know something the mobile guy doesn't. The bottom line is I hate having multiple sources, all of whom are highly reviewed and respected, giving me differing opinions.
Well I'd be happy to show you a 56' Bel Air that has had touch ups.....most enthusiasts (90%) would never be able to tell and 99% of normal people would have no idea. The trick is matching the color and given you are in the Bay Area, there are plenty of paint shops that can make the color perfect and then the mobile painter does the prep work and sprays, then clears, then comes back in a week or so and polishes....

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Is that defect in the base or the clear? If it's in the clear then you might be able to wet sand and buff it out. Unusual to see something like that in the base....would have been very noticeable when painting the car and would likely have been corrected prior to shooting the clear.



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Is that defect in the base or the clear? If it's in the clear then you might be able to wet sand and buff it out. Unusual to see something like that in the base....would have been very noticeable when painting the car and would likely have been corrected prior to shooting the clear.



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Definitely in the base... "restoration" by the PO was in many ways a hack job. You should see the bumper (which I'm getting refinished for $1500 in a few weeks).
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Definitely in the base... "restoration" by the PO was in many ways a hack job. You should see the bumper (which I'm getting refinished for $1500 in a few weeks).
Front bumper? Might as well have them repair the paint on the quarter panel at the same time.

Really hard to avoid "scope creep" when making paint repairs. I usually end up reshooting complete panels because it ends up being about the same amount of work for me. I have paid others to make spot repairs on my daily driver and it worked out okay. I am much more picky on my classic cars though....

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So my 68 GTO was repainted in its original Solar Red sometime in the past ten years (with base/clearcoat). A good job overall but there are some flaws in the passenger rear quarter panel near the trunk lid. They are confined to the area in my photo, with the exception of a few similar flaws about 6 inches away on the same panel towards the right. Wanting to fix this, I've asked around and this is what I've been told:

1. Two body shops that specialize in classic cars have told me that attempting to repaint just that area and blend it in won't result in a satisfactory job. Instead they say the entire panel needs to be redone, and of course that single panel on a GTO coupe is half the car. One of the shops say there will be some improvement with just a good polish and wax.

2. A mobile paint-repair dude who has a good reputation tells me he can do a blend. However I'm a bit skeptical. He's just going to order the paint, come out to my garage for a morning, and wham-blam? I know the car was repainted in the original code but isn't some work to match the paint necessary?

So. At this point I'm leaning away from the mobile dude since if he screws up I'm basically forced into a $4k paint job (for the whole panel, and maybe even the trunk lid too if he blends into that). Advice?
It's 10 year old paint, but it's not left out on the elements, that's a plus.. your car is a solid color, not metallic or pearl I will assume.. I personally I would not think I would have a problem doing a blend on that... you need to find a confident painter! Your asking a business, they need to cover them self, and you need to make it worth there while, there's more money in doing a blend as they suggest, don't get me wrong most every shop will tell you that, so trying to find a shop that's willing to do it without going over board will be tough... the guy that will come to your house.. about the guy that will come to your house, if he is not using high quality guns, and using two, one for base and one for clear, then he does not take what he his doing serious..then and walk away..
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The two challenges will be matching the color and also hiding the 'boundary' between the old paint (clear) and the new. I was out on the Southern Polyurethanes web site the other day looking around, and noticed that they've added a 'blending solvent' to their product line. That's what it's for --- softening and reflowing the 'edges' of a repaint repair in order to make the edge disappear. I've not used it and have no direct experience with it, but I might try it myself --- I've got a chipped leading edge in one spot on the passenger side door from where I reinstalled that fender and didn't get the gap quite right before I opened the door -- doh! I was going to suggest trying to wet sand it out myself but if the problem is in the base then that won't help. One thing you might try, and I know before I say this that it's a 'hack' and not optimal - but if you can find a red touch up pen that's close enough in color, you could dab it onto those spots and mostly hide them at all but very close distances. You'll know they're still there but 99% of the public won't ever notice.

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