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B&M Shifter Installed! w00t!

This has been a long time coming as, after being in love with the UUC Evo short shift kit in my BMW, the throws in the GTO seemed delivery-truck long.

It is for this reason that I will announce that a buddy of mine and myself have just completed 2-3/4 installs of the B&M Sport Shifters in our GTOs.

2-3/4, you puzzle? I'll get to that.

It's a straightforward enough install- but don't let anyone tell you it's easy. Anyone who tells you this are dangerous liars deserving to be beaten with long sticks. Undoing the nuts that hold the rubber boot flange to the car's structure alone is an excersize best undertaken by molusks, verylarge amoebas, certain very talented porn stars, and others with supernatural flexibility. There are several other little things about the install that will make you absolutely insane.

We installed the shifter in my car in about 3-1/2 hours, going slowly and methodically and leaving a thousand four-letter words in our wake-- or mine anyway.

OK, after a quick FCF down a couple of local roads, we tackle his '05 GTO. Believe it or not, there is less access to those goddamned dust boot flange bolts in an '05 than an '04. I really had to get nearly intimate with the tranny housing to get the drivers side forward bolt off! Other than that, Everything went very smoothly and quickly this time- hell, we're pros now-- until we got to the point where we were going to mount the B&M unit to the tranny top. There, we discovered the o-ring that the B&M instructions warn you that needs to be removed though failing to say which o-ring they speak of. It surrounds the hole that enters the inside of the transmission-- very hard to see unless you know where to look.

I had no idea what might happen if that loose o-ring was left there, though none of the scenarios I considered were good things. So, after a couple of abortive attempts to talk myself out of disassembling almost the entire install to pluck that o-ring free, we decided to tear into my car after we finished his.

Thus, 2-3/4 installs.

Right then we discovered that, in his box of shifter fun, B&M had thoughtfully shorted us the two countersunk flathead machine screws that hold the shifter lever to the shifter assy. Grand. We had to cschlep over those friendly (*cough*) efficient (*cough kak*) and knowledgeable (*wheeze*) pros over at Auto Zone and scare up bolts he could at least get home. We didn't find the exact bolts, but we were able to trailer-park engineer it suffifciently

Verdict? These things are sweeeeet. This shifter is not for everyone. Shift action is definitely a lot more mechanical, notchy, and interior noise goes up noticably ( cool deep roar fills the cabin at high revs)-- but these are all good things as far as I'm concerned.

These shifters rock, and seem absolutely worth the bloodloss and substantial scarring on my right arm.

A way special "Thanks Dood" shout out goes to GTO4Ever for his excellent writeup!!!

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Pretty much sums up my experience putting it in and using it. Enjoy. I found B&M instructions good -- but, like you, wanting for more detail in a few areas. And what good are having pictures in an installation manual in they're printed so dang poorly you can't see what the heck is going on in them?!?!?

I'm curious, what was getting in the way of the bolts on the '05? I guess the LS2 requires more plumbing -- or some transmission modifications? That driver's side front bolt is a big enough PITA on an '04.

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I'm curious, what was getting in the way of the bolts on the '05? I guess the LS2 requires more plumbing -- or some transmission modifications? That driver's side front bolt is a big enough PITA on an '04.
The exhaust diameter and routing, for starters. What bitch that is. And if someone got desperate and followed the B&M tip to undo the tranny brace, Very Bad Things would happen to the pipes in an '05!
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BTW-- Just drove it to work this morning (120 miles) w/ the new shifter installed... Oh, yeah baby, it rocks.

Interior noise is substantially higher while yanking through gears, but in cruise I think it's about the same. One weird thing- the gearshift lever actually vibrates less now. May have something to do with the resonant frequencies of the rubber isolator built into the stock mount.
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BTW-- this little nugget of info was just posted on The Other Site by a B&M rep...

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STEP 14. Apply bead of RTV silicone around perimeter of B&M
shifter. Install B&M shifter using (2) 1/4-20 bolts, (2) lock
washers and (2) M8 bolts.
TOOLS: Screwdriver (flat), Hex Wrench (6mm), thread
adhesive & RTV Silicone.
Torque 1/4-20 bolts to 8-10 ft-lbs. Caution do not
overtorque bolts!!!!
Torque M8 bolts to 17 ft-lbs.
NOTE: FAILURE TO USE THREAD ADHESIVE COULD
RESULT IN SHIFTER MALFUNCTION.
Dammit! We just put our shifters in this w/e, and our instructions did not mention this at all! The only mention was to torque the bolts per GM spec-- which was a useless piece of info since that spec was not provided!!!!!

It's a stone bitch to get back to that point, made even more difficult by the idiotic way the dust boot retaining spring is directly in the way of the right M8 socket cap screw...looks like I'll have to make it happen, though. Crap!

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BTW-- this little nugget of info was just posted on The Other Site by a B&M rep...



Dammit! We just put our shifters in this w/e, and our instructions did not mention this at all! The only mention was to torque the bolts per GM spec-- which was a useless piece of info since that spec was not provided!!!!!

It's a stone bitch to get back to that point, made even more difficult by the idiotic way the dust boot retaining spring is directly in the way of the right M8 socket cap screw...looks like I'll have to make it happen, though. Crap!

....it sounds like you got one of the earlier shifters, the new shifters come with a little better destructions, btw, what size bolts did you have to pick up (hope their 5/16)? Don't feel bad though, I put in the extra springs just to disassemble the shifter to take them out (after a while it just annoys you)! Good luck....
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....it sounds like you got one of the earlier shifters, the new shifters come with a little better destructions, btw, what size bolts did you have to pick up (hope their 5/16)? Don't feel bad though, I put in the extra springs just to disassemble the shifter to take them out (after a while it just annoys you)! Good luck....
Yeah...it was a Gen 2 shifter (we had to find 5/16-18 bolts)...possibly with Gen 1 instructions...in fact, I believe the info above is Brand New...
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Yeah...it was a Gen 2 shifter (we had to find 5/16-18 bolts)...possibly with Gen 1 instructions...in fact, I believe the info above is Brand New...
WEEEWH...... ....damn them for the instruction screw up!
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Would a hoist make this job any eaiser?
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Bummer. B&M just updated their instructions about a month ago. They even include a little tube of red Loctite in their kits now. Hate to tell you, Groucho, but you gotta get back in there and redo everything with Loctite. Even the two bolts that hold the stick to the shift base. Everything except the bolts holding the boot in place, that is. Did you come across that PDF that B&M's Mike Malloy posted elsewhere?
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