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News Pontiac Looks Rearward: The Next Grand Prix and GTO

Pontiac Looks Rearward: The Next Grand Prix and GTO
http://automobilemag.com/news/0509_pontiac_future/

Pontiac hopes to produce at least one rear-wheel-drive car for sale as a 2010 model, despite reports that General Motors’ rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform has been axed.

There are no immediate plans to replace the current GTO when it goes out of production at the end of next year. However, GM desperately wants to develop rear-wheel-drive cars for Pontiac—its sporty, import-fighting brand—and has started looking at a low-cost Zeta platform, referred to internally as Zeta Lite.

Pontiac's 1999 concept could hint at the next
generation design direction. The styling is expected
to incorporate some design cues from classic Pontiacs
such as the ’69 GTO and continue the trend away
from the overwrought styling of the recent past.


The Zeta platform—which underpins the upcoming Australian Holden Commodore sedan and Monaro coupe—was supposed to provide the basis for a number of North American rear-wheel-drive products, notably the Buick Velite roadster and the next-generation GTO, but the U.S. program was canned because it was too expensive. The Sigma architecture that underpins cars such as the Cadillac CTS was never considered, either, again because of cost issues.

Should Zeta Lite get management approval, Pontiac would like to produce two cars off the platform: a four-door Grand Prix and a two-door GTO. The Grand Prix would get both V-6 and V-8 power, while the GTO would be powered by a new version of the current, 400-hp, pushrod OHV LS2 V-8.

The GTO’s chances of making it into production probably would depend on Pontiac sharing the platform with Chevrolet, which would transfer the Monte Carlo from front-wheel drive back to rear-wheel drive. It is also likely that Chevy would end up with a large four-door sedan that either would replace the Impala or resurrect the Caprice nameplate.

Although GM enviously acknowledges that Ford Mustang customers don’t seem to care about its inexpensive and outdated live rear axle—a feature that was engineered in to reduce cost—it’s unlikely that the Zeta Lite architecture would have anything other than an independent rear suspension. Don’t expect GM to produce a Firebird/Camaro rival for the Mustang, either, as those nameplates are dead in the water.
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Exciting stuff... as long as the new GTO doesn't look like that concept version
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Pontiac's 1999 concept could hint at the next
generation design direction. The styling is expected
to incorporate some design cues from classic Pontiacs
such as the ’69 GTO and continue the trend away
from the overwrought styling of the recent past.
Continue the trend away from the overwrought styling of the recent past.

So, just what is the plastic clad pumpkin in the photo?
The sleek new future of Pontiac design?

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Continue the trend away from the overwrought styling of the recent past.

So, just what is the plastic clad pumpkin in the photo?
The sleek new future of Pontiac design?

My thoughts exactly. If the next GTO is designed here in the U.S. by Pontiac types, it's going to suck horribly.

The article's title sums it all up..."Pontiac Looks Rearward" indeed...out of their own a*sses.
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Chances are they'll decide to go the way Ford did and create a crappy modern/retro looking car

God I so hate Ford still...
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I remember that '99 GTO concept well. It was the sort of over-the-top flight of fancy you expect in a show car, but it did have some interesting heritage themes I wouldn't mind seeing surface in a next-gen GTO. I even felt that way at the time, back when we still had an F-body and there was no serious talk of reviving the GTO badge.

Oddly, what bugged me most about that show car was that the three accent stripes forward of the front wheel didn't line up with their counterparts aft of the wheel. If I remember correctly, Pontiac fixed that gaffe in a later version.

Speaking of heritage styling cues, my seven-year-old got a fun Hot Wheels car a couple years ago that's still in his collection. Here it is:


Yeah, yeah, I know: Stacked round headlights on a modern car? But I'm sure there'd be some way to pull off the general look in a more sophisticated way that would still make bystanders say, "Hey, is that the new GTO?" After all, there's a difference between "retro" and invoking a car's heritage in a modern design. I think the C6 is effectively evocative of several past Vettes while still being thoroughly new.

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From looking at the orange thing, I've come to this conclusion. The design team that made the aztek got some bad acid or magic mushrooms. Then they made this really "cool" ????????????????
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I think those Aussies did quite a fine job with this one - let's hope GM North America doesn't take this thing over and turn it anywhere NEAR that concept. Holy hell.

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I think those Aussies did quite a fine job with this one - let's hope GM North America doesn't take this thing over and turn it anywhere NEAR that concept. Holy hell.
It kind of screams BATMOBILE after a bad night at the club... but during Halloween
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It kind of screams BATMOBILE after a bad night at the club... but during Halloween
"URP! Too much pumpkin schnaaps! To the Vomitorium, Robin!"
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