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1969 GTO engine suggestion

Looking at buying a 1969 gto project car, pretty much a basket case. They want $8k. The question im wondering is whats a good crate engine for the money? Have a budget of $20k including purchasing the car.
its a project car keep me busy in my spare time. Figured I would ask in here. This will be my first non Mopar car.
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Looking at buying a 1969 gto project car, pretty much a basket case. They want $8k. The question im wondering is whats a good crate engine for the money? Have a budget of $20k including purchasing the car.
its a project car keep me busy in my spare time. Figured I would ask in here. This will be my first non Mopar car.
Much better off buying a running driving car in presentable condition. Will likely exceed your budget but you aren't going to build an engine and restore a car for $20k anyway....even if you already own the car.

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Butler makes very good Pontiac crate engines, lots of options. Unless you already have all the tools, facilities, and can do your own body and paint work, and the car already mostly complete - it's doubtful you'll be able to complete the project for $20K. Double that --- maybe....

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Yeah, the only way you're likely to get a DECENT one, for somewhere in the $20k range, is to find an older Tempest/Lemans GTO clone. Prices for a decent REAL GTO are, IMO, ridiculous.

But, you may be able to find a decent Tempest or Lemans, either already made into a GTO clone, or one that you can easily clone, without major body work, for around $10k, or maybe a little less, depending on engine/drivetrain, and body condition.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/332896116328

Here's a '68, they're calling a '69. Or at least it has a '68 rear bumper.

https://classics.autotrader.com/clas...mans/101032992

If you are OK with a '68 or '69, that will make more cars available to choose from. But, you have to be real careful when buying a car that old. Many will try to sell a real piece of rusty junk, for a high price, just because what model they are.

https://classics.autotrader.com/clas...mans/100828508

https://classiccars.com/listings/vie...missouri-64734

https://www.allcollectorcars.com/for...mans-/1529573/

https://www.allcollectorcars.com/for...mans-/1579871/

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Pontia...-/323519795942

https://www.autoblog.com/used-detail...ac-LeMans-1969

The cheapest decent quality Pontiac shortblocks & crate engines I've read about are built by Len Williams. I've been badmouthed for posting this, since I've never bought one of his engines. Some engine builders have even posted that they can't build an engine for themselves, for the price Len charges. So, I'll post a link to his site, & leave it at that.

http://lenwilliamsautomachine.com/Home.html

If you can assemble it yourself, or have a friend that can, you can buy a Butler machined block & rotating assembly kit.

https://butlerperformance.com/c-1234...-assemble.html

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I restore older cars, have my own garage, tools, paint booth, etc. I just never dealt with anything other then mopar cars. just looking for suggestions on a crate motor to put in it. not doing show car status
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Alrighty then, so you know about the work involved and costs. In that case, I stand with my Butler recommendation. There are others out there also who are very good, they just don't do the same 'volume' that Butler does. Paul Spotts (Spotts performance) is one who's very meticulous in his work. There are others. Please, just do humor an "old man" and keep it real Pontiac

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If all you want is a cheap Pontiac engine to put in it, to restore & flip it quick, there are some of the high volume engine rebuilders that can supply you with a cheap 400, built using a 500557 block, cheap "8-eybrow" cast pistons, a reground cam, Chinese lifters, etc, etc, for a cheap price.

But I don't think anybody here will recommend one of those. Len Williams has the cheapest DECENT Pontiac engines & Butler has some of the highest prices. Most of the big name Pontiac engine builders will charge near $10k, for a nice complete Pontiac crate engine.

Other than those mentioned, here are a few others.

Kauffman Racing Equipment

pontiac crate engines

https://www.facebook.com/PaulKnippensMuscleMotors/

Pontiac engine builder

Nitemare Performance Pontiac Products & Service

It has been posted by many, that there are plenty of shops that don't specialize in Pontiac engines, but can build a good one. There are probably quite a few of these shops. I'm not familiar with hardly any of 'em. But, you can Google up a few. Some of these shops probably don't even have any Pontiac engine cores to rebuild.

https://www.proformanceunlimited.com/pontiac-engines/

Pontiac Performance Crate Engines

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rebuilt-400...-/173664880178

https://www.ebay.com/itm/400-Pontiac...-/123481691598

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