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California emission's ?

Just a ? Why is California so strict on emission's ? I know I could probably research the question on the Internet, but I want to know from actual California Native's, is it that bad there ?
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Just a ? Why is California so strict on emission's ? I know I could probably research the question on the Internet, but I want to know from actual California Native's, is it that bad there ?
Isn't it because of the high smog problems?

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If you'd been in the LA basin in the 70s, you wouldn't question why. BROWN air that would burn your eyes. The air is so much more breathable now. If only they could do something about the residents, it'd be more livable!
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Its not as bad today as it used to be. Due to the high density population, and the lay of the land, air quality has and will continue to be an issue in the state, especially the southern part as the jetstream/mountains/combustion tend to make things pretty awful. Summers get bad when it is hot. Keep your cats on please!
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I was in San Diego during my Military day's and it seemed quite nice there. That was in 2001. I've seen the Movies where it shows thick smog so dense you can't see 50 feet, but I figured that it really wasn't that bad. So it's nice to know that the high emission law's have cleaned up the air since the 70's era. And as my post stated I wanted the question's answered by actual California Native's..........................

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I was born in 82 and I could remember times when the air was thick enough where it seemed that you could cut it with a knife. You practically had to chew the air before you took a breathe.
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Thanks in part to tighter emissions laws, California's air is cleaner now than in the 50's.

The Los Angeles basin and San Joaquin Valley are two areas where the air just hangs for days. In fact, when the Spanish first visited what was to later become Los Angeles, they remarked how the smoke from the Indians' fires would just rise into the air and hang there.

Coastal cities, like San Diego and San Francisco, benefit from marine air exchange, which moves the air inland. Los Angeles doesn't get the same effect. What's sort of unfair is that the dope smoking hippies in San Francisco drive around in their old VW buses blowing huge clouds of smoke -- but that's all pushed toward Sacramento -- which gets dinged by the Feds because their air isn't clean.

Of course, the hippies take no responsibilty -- as they're too busy inhaling their own farts.
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Los Angeles= smog
San Francisco=smug
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Los Angeles= smog
San Francisco=smug
Just saw the Pious episode of South Park for the first time yesterday -- their take on San Francisco and the self-centered idiots that live there was pretty much right on.
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I lived in California for a short time in 2004-2005, but always visited while I was growing up. The first time I went to LA, to visit my aunt, uncle and cousins, I was 7, in 1973. The air was bad. We were there in the summer and coming from Pittsburgh you would figure I would be adjusted to pollution. My eyes and nose burned and the only thing you wanted to do was stay inside. Through the late 70's to the early eighties it got better. I say the last real bad year that I remember in LA was 1976.

Most states in the northeast have adopted California regulations and all vehicles built today are 50 state compliant as far as pollution control.

An interesting little tidbit is that cars that meet SU LEV emissions regulations are actually cleaner than most large cities air. By driving those cars you actually emit cleaner air out of the exhaust pipe than what goes into the intake.

If you were to take the emmissions from a 1965 vehicle and measure the pollution by volume, versus a 2001 vehicle, the 1965 vehicle would put 96% more pollution in the air than the 2001. For 2007 we have cut that number to somewhere between 97.5% and 99.5% clean versus 1965.
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