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Hi, I have come across what appears to be a 70 Judge sitting on an old farm. I have spoken to the owner of the car and he tells me that it is in fact a real 70 Judge with a 400/400 and rare ac. The vin on the dash was to dirty to read clearly and he is finding me the title this week. I am a Trans Am guy and would like some info on this car if anyone can help. It has a Ram air hood (functional with the handle under the dash), Judge emblem on the dash, there was a rear wing (stolen) and he told me the trunk spring was heavy duty due to the wing but the only thing that I question is the vinyl top. It is original white with black interior which I think most Judges are orange or blue. Anyone?
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Just a few more pictires of the car. Also the car has a 140 mph speedo and tach. The door panels have a GTO emblem as well. If anyone can help in letting me know if its a real Judge or not it would be greatly appreciated. I can have this car with a lot of parts for $2,000.
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Maybe this will help, It is supposedly all the specs on the 70.
Possibly you can check all the other info like body tags, tranny and rear end and colors to help insure.

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judges for 1970 could be had in any available gto color.this car has all the tell-tale signs of a judge,unless somebody added the ram-air pans and graphics along with the glove box emblem.have you seen the car in person?if you can,check the casting # on the heads.if it is 12 or 614,then it's probably a ram-air 3 or iv motor,which is what the judge would have come with.the only sure way to tell is a phs report.so get the vin # and pay the 60.00 or so and you'll find out in a couple of days.if this turns out to be authentic,then this would be the deal of your lifetime.good luck.
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I had seen this car today and snapped a few pics. I didnt grab the numbers off the block. The guy has had this car for 25 years and just let it go to what you see today. The block and trans are original though. Are there any companies making repo parts for these cars? Like a Ram air hood?
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ames performance makes the aftermarket hoods for 70,but you would have to cut some under-bracing for the ram air components.if i were you,i would find a nice solid donor car and use it's metal.you can probably find an original ram-air hood,but it's going to cost quite a bit.how's the frame?
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The PHS is the only real way to tell. Chances are its the real deal, the quest to clone wasn't then what it is now. The wheels as depicted in the pic are not GTO but back then many purchased aftermarket. Those wheels are cheapy steel. Could be a variety of reasons for them being on there. Hood scoops are the correct color. Judge decal on the fender is missing, (after all these years could just be missing) was there decals on the other places?
One interesting thing I noticed.... no tach either on the hood (I don't see a hole in the hood) or in dash. The dash indicates a clock. I don't recall a judge without a tach but it could have been ordered that way, the PHS will indicate it.

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thats funny judge,i noticed that also.could it be the angle of the photo,and as he stated,the original wing was stolen,maybe the tach was swiped also and we can't see the hole from the photo?
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If there are holes in the rear deck it will indicate a missing spoiler. If not then this would indicate otherwise. Ahhhhhh the things one can uncover researching. LOL

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sorry judge,just looked at the first post and the photo clearly shows no tach.could that have been a special order?although i don't know why someone would choose the clock over a tach.
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