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I've seen people use a product like liquid aluminum in areas like that then sand it down smooth after it sets up. I would only use it for small holes though.
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So I decided my garage was becoming unbearable with the dirt and dust and clutter, so I went through and cleaned and reorganized everything in it today. The result, I can actually see my car and the progress I've made up to this point, and I suddenly have a new found motivation to get this car done! Here's a few pictures from today. The second photo is the worst part of rot from under the rear windshield. I also posted 300+ photos on my photobucket page:

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The photos posted backwards so if you want to go through them in chronological order you'll have to start at the end and go backwards. Some of them are crappy quality because of low lighting in my garage.
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Orion,

Welcome to the world of restoration... your story sounds a lot like mine. I originally just wanted to spray some new paint, and change the suspension to something modern. That was exactly TWO years ago! It transitioned into a full restoration. I even had the body acid dipped. But, I do have a full Global West Suspension now, with coil overs front and rear.

Any way... when it comes to fixing rust, your best bet is to cut it back until you find standard 18 gauge thickness with no cancer. Then cut, shape, and weld in a new piece. Be prepared for a ton of surface finishing... the picture below shows where I was two weeks ago, those are the original un-damaged panels. Notice how much Filler I had to apply to get them flat. The front end now has Epoxy primer. Now working on the rest of the body, which will be faster now that I know what I'm doing. Like you, I've never done this before, that includes TIG welding too... Ohhhh, and I thought I was going to do the body work and hand it over to an expert to paint. No expert will touch it, if they didn't do the body work themselves, so like Bear, I'm going to be painting it myself too.

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yep, no such thing as a straight all metal classic, they all require at least a skim coat of filler to get there.

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Yeah I'm fully prepared to sling mud around. I've spent a lot of time watching my mentors smooth over dents depressions and imperfections with Medallion brand urethane filler, which is what I bought as well. I've started on my trunk and so far it's easy to work with. Right now I'm just waiting for my Dura Block set to come in the mail from Summit Racing so I can start smoothing it out.

As far as the rust under the windshields, it is all in areas that would require a professional level of experience to cut out, weld up, grind down, and smooth out. At my level, it would take countless hours I don't have and it would probably look pretty crappy. I will post a few more photos later of the damage.

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its a good idea to use a temporary etching primer wherever you expose metal immediately after roughing it out, then before you start "mudding" apply a few coats of epoxy primer for a base and sealer. If they are small holes you could use catshair fiberglass although the channels are hard to sand and finish smooth for a good glass seal. Main problem is channels will collect moisture even during washing and if theres any old rust left it will start up again under your fresh paint eventually. This was a weak spot in these cars and leaks in the back window seal usually led to the trunk pans rotting out when left unchecked especially on DD's that will see the weather.

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So today was a disheartening and potentially expensive one. Last night I chemically stripped the roof and passenger quarter and I was planning on finishing them off with the DA sander this morning. Well I started poking around the rear deck filler panel and ended up going all Jeremy Clarkson on it with a hammer and screw driver. Turns out some idiot decided to cover up the badly rusted filler panel with fiberglass and call it a day... Fantastic. Also as I dug around the quarter panels they were rusted out around the window sail and had some other issues, so it looks like I will at least be spending $100+ on a new filler panel and possible another $900+ on new quarter panels... Not exactly what I wanted to find out.
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Here's a few more pictures. I did manage to get the roof down to bare metal today and it's in good shape at least.
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Main problem is channels will collect moisture even during washing and if theres any old rust left it will start up again under your fresh paint eventually. This was a weak spot in these cars and leaks in the back window seal usually led to the trunk pans rotting out when left unchecked especially on DD's that will see the weather.
thats why you don't use fiberglass in those areas

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Don't worry, I won't he taking the same short cut the last numbskull took. I'll be replacing that panel for sure. I just have to decide if I can fix the quarters or if I have to replace them.

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