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Following my brothers IROC we came upon a always hard to find AMG Mercedes, this one a E55. He was turning right onto Hwy 9 just south of Snohomish, WA., where its a long uphill straight climb. It was AMG, IROC, GTO. I automatically jumped on the gas when my brothers exhaust tone changed to 'full throttle rumble' along with the requisite tire spin - could have easily pasted both of them if I wasnt following...

Initially I didnt see the AMG badge and was kinda shocked when my brother didnt quickly have to slam on the brakes as he closed the gap. You guys know what I'm talking about, the sudden recalculation when your assumption of a cars speed is way off! The AMG was having the same traction troubles and never pulled from the brothers nose all the way to about 80mph, with me directly the 'ROC. As soon as the other lane cleared both me and my brother jumped over and the AMG (sensing a smack down imminent) tapped his brakes and let up. Heh heh

Just impressed by his launch, not many street cars can match my brothers 60' times of 1.8 seconds! Funny thing is my GTO with the Potenza RE-01R tires just destroys him off the line. Other than the launch, I've now ran my brothers IROC at least a dozen times and we are a dead even match from 30mph to 120mph, neither car pulling a inch on the other until the higher speeds where I SLOWLY start to pull.

Edit: the weight is 4,087lbs wet.
 

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Just ID'd the E55, it was a 2004 on up supercharged AMG. First model is 469hp and 560lb ft, 0-60 in 4.7seconds, 3800 pounds EDIT: 4087 pounds wet. Betting he would taken my Goat on the top end as I'm all stock right now! Dam I can't wait for my mods to get here!! Can one of you religious types pray for MarylandSpeed to get my stuff in the mail pronto? :)
 

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The supercharged AMG E55 is a low 12 second 1/4 mile car with a pulley change putting it into the 11's. I raced a couple with my 02 Z06 and lost all but one and that car went very low 12's and every once in a while high 11's on street tires.

A guy at Orlando Speedworld ran his E55AMG with a pulley change and a computer reflash against a Nissan GT-R that had an exhaust and intake change done to it and it was some great racing with both the cars running low 11's and neck in neck the whole way.

A friend of mine has one with a pulley change and it lapped Buttonwillow faster than my C6, his GT500, his 03 911 Turbo and a GT500 KR.

The AMG E55 is a serious car. If you're not a heads and cam car, the AMG wasn't trying.
 

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I saw an AMG mercedes at the track yesterday. It was in the high 10s. I think it was a CL65, and damn did that thing just dead hook. It was really quiet, and looked bone stock even though it obviously wasn't. Surprised the hell out of me on it's first pass.
 

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Fergy those E55 AMG's are magazine tested to the nearly identical times as a 05 GTO:
AMG: 0-60 in 4.7-4.9seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.8-13.0, which is exactly where the same mags listed the GTO. Which would explain how we were so even after the launch.

I'd still trade him in a heartbeat though. :) Then sell it and buy one GTO for commuting and one for track... lol
 

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Fergy those E55 AMG's are magazine tested to the nearly identical times as a 05 GTO:
AMG: 0-60 in 4.7-4.9seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.8-13.0, which is exactly where the same mags listed the GTO. Which would explain how we were so even after the launch.

I'd still trade him in a heartbeat though. :) Then sell it and buy one GTO for commuting and one for track... lol
I'm not sure what magazines you are refering to, but here's an AMG E55 Wagon that is a couple hundred pounds heavier than the Sedan running a 12.2 at 113.8.
2006 Dodge Magnum SRT8 Vs. 2005 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG - Road Test - Motor Trend

Here's an 03 Sedan that ran a 12.39 at 116 versus a C5 Z06 that ran a 12.4 at 119.
2003 Audi RS 6 and 2003 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG Handling & Speed Comparison - Motor Trend

Here's another Moter Trend with the Benz quicker than the V10 BMW M5. The Merc runs a 12.4 at 116.
2005 BMW M5 vs. 2005 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG Specification_Comparison - Full Metal Rockets - Motor trend
 

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Edmonds.com [ur]http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=105529/pageNumber=1?synpartner=edmunds&pageurl=www.edmunds.com/used/2004/mercedesbenz/e55amg/100361695/roadtestarticle.html&articleId=105529[/url] on that wagon you claim goes 12.2: "Whack open the throttle when the light goes green and this wagon accelerates like an Italian supercar, hitting 60 mph in just 4.9 seconds. Keep your foot down and the quarter-mile is history in 13 seconds at 112 mph."

2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG - Test drive and new car review - 2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG {04 E55 AMG):"That incredible engine produces a mind-blowing 469 horsepower and 516 lb-ft. of torque. It's enough to rocket the E55 from 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds! It's enough to run a quarter-mile in mid-12s"

2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG Mid-Size Luxury Sedan 0-60 in 4.5secs

2004 Mercedes Benz E55 AMG - First Look & Review - European Car Magazine 0-62 in 4.7sec

2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG - Comparison Test / 2004 Jaguar XJR vs. Maserati Quattroporte, M-B E55 AMG - Comparison Test / Sedans / Comparison Test / Reviews / Car and Driver - Car And Driver 0-60 in 4.3sec, 1/4 in 12.5sec.

2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 1/4 mile trap speeds 0-60 - DragTimes.com
2005 Pontiac GTO 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com
"Drag Times.com" comparisons are probably the most reliable:
'04 E55 AMG
1/4 Mile ET: 12.366
1/4 Mile MPH: 111.750
1/8 Mile ET: 7.949
1/8 Mile MPH: 88.570
0-60 Foot ET: 1.854

'05 GTO
1/4 Mile ET: 12.920
1/4 Mile MPH: 109.400
1/8 Mile ET: 8.380
1/8 Mile MPH: 86.150
0-60 Foot ET: 2.030 I'm currently at low 1.7's, but weigh 340lbs so 1/4 is almost identical.

Like most fast cars, the auto mags are totally inconsistent with there results. The only one to list a 60 foot time was (go figure) Drag Times.com. Well, my brothers IROC pulls 1.80's and my GTO is ALOT quicker on the street, a bit faster on the track - at least until he tosses his GS-C tires and gets something stickier. Toss in the fact that with a supercharged engine he most likely was heat soaked while we had just left my brothers house, going uphill, etc. it qualifies as a win or at MINIMUM a tie since he wouldnt race after that first 0-80mph run. Knowing how fast those cars are now I know if all things had been equal (heat soak being a big variable, along with drivers skill) he should have easily pulled our 13.0 cars. But he tried his best and couldnt get us off his bumper.
 

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Edmonds.com [ur]http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=105529/pageNumber=1?synpartner=edmunds&pageurl=www.edmunds.com/used/2004/mercedesbenz/e55amg/100361695/roadtestarticle.html&articleId=105529[/url] on that wagon you claim goes 12.2: "Whack open the throttle when the light goes green and this wagon accelerates like an Italian supercar, hitting 60 mph in just 4.9 seconds. Keep your foot down and the quarter-mile is history in 13 seconds at 112 mph."

2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG - Test drive and new car review - 2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG {04 E55 AMG):"That incredible engine produces a mind-blowing 469 horsepower and 516 lb-ft. of torque. It's enough to rocket the E55 from 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds! It's enough to run a quarter-mile in mid-12s"

2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG Mid-Size Luxury Sedan 0-60 in 4.5secs

2004 Mercedes Benz E55 AMG - First Look & Review - European Car Magazine 0-62 in 4.7sec

2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG - Comparison Test / 2004 Jaguar XJR vs. Maserati Quattroporte, M-B E55 AMG - Comparison Test / Sedans / Comparison Test / Reviews / Car and Driver - Car And Driver 0-60 in 4.3sec, 1/4 in 12.5sec.

2004 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 1/4 mile trap speeds 0-60 - DragTimes.com
2005 Pontiac GTO 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com
"Drag Times.com" comparisons are probably the most reliable:
'04 E55 AMG
1/4 Mile ET: 12.366
1/4 Mile MPH: 111.750
1/8 Mile ET: 7.949
1/8 Mile MPH: 88.570
0-60 Foot ET: 1.854

'05 GTO
1/4 Mile ET: 12.920
1/4 Mile MPH: 109.400
1/8 Mile ET: 8.380
1/8 Mile MPH: 86.150
0-60 Foot ET: 2.030 I'm currently at low 1.7's, but weigh 340lbs so 1/4 is almost identical.

Like most fast cars, the auto mags are totally inconsistent with there results. The only one to list a 60 foot time was (go figure) Drag Times.com. Well, my brothers IROC pulls 1.80's and my GTO is ALOT quicker on the street, a bit faster on the track - at least until he tosses his GS-C tires and gets something stickier. Toss in the fact that with a supercharged engine he most likely was heat soaked while we had just left my brothers house, going uphill, etc. it qualifies as a win or at MINIMUM a tie since he wouldnt race after that first 0-80mph run. Knowing how fast those cars are now I know if all things had been equal (heat soak being a big variable, along with drivers skill) he should have easily pulled our 13.0 cars. But he tried his best and couldnt get us off his bumper.


don't forget that "auto mags" will ALWAYS hype up the one who forks over the most $$ (yeah, it's true)..... FWIW, if they launched a stock GTO properly their #'s would have been better as well...(or if pontiac gave them more $$ to do so, lol) I had the opportunity to drive an 04 e55... awesome car-- with that said.. it will def pull on a stock ls2 goat as the speeds get in the triple digits, just not as mmuch as people tend to think. most of the "dragtimes" drivers are not totally stock, no matter what they say, either.... if that driver messes up anything, or has heat soak, or has a bad IC pump, etc, and you shift right, forget it- he ain't catch'in you if he's stock....
modded is a different story... the 55k motor can be brutal ---

nice kills....
 

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Following my brothers IROC we came upon a always hard to find AMG Mercedes, this one a E55. He was turning right onto Hwy 9 just south of Snohomish, WA., where its a long uphill straight climb. It was AMG, IROC, GTO. I automatically jumped on the gas when my brothers exhaust tone changed to 'full throttle rumble' along with the requisite tire spin - could have easily pasted both of them if I wasnt following...

Initially I didnt see the AMG badge and was kinda shocked when my brother didnt quickly have to slam on the brakes as he closed the gap. You guys know what I'm talking about, the sudden recalculation when your assumption of a cars speed is way off! The AMG was having the same traction troubles and never pulled from the brothers nose all the way to about 80mph, with me directly the 'ROC. As soon as the other lane cleared both me and my brother jumped over and the AMG (sensing a smack down imminent) tapped his brakes and let up. Heh heh

Just impressed by his launch, not many street cars can match my brothers 60' times of 1.8 seconds! Funny thing is my GTO with the Potenza RE-01R tires just destroys him off the line. Other than the launch, I've now ran my brothers IROC at least a dozen times and we are a dead even match from 30mph to 120mph, neither car pulling a inch on the other until the higher speeds where I SLOWLY start to pull.

Edit: the weight is 4,087lbs wet.
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Your goat kept up with a car that is a low 12's high 11 car out of the factory depending on tires. Right....how about you come over here to the real world and run mine. It's completely stock- and it DESTROYS modded gto's in this area with absolutely no problem at all. A 13-14 second car almost "running into the back" of a car that is clearly faster. Are you sure it was racing you, are you sure it wasn't somebody with just amg badges, and are you sure that the car had 4 wheels on it?

Cammed/head gto's are about even with a stock e55 (I have been destroyed by a head cam/i/h/e GTO), I don't get how you kept up with this guy.

And not to discount the GTO's, I LOVE THE CARS and would be happy to own and drive one. I just think your story is fabricated, or the guy wasn't racing. Go post your story on any other car enthusiast forum and see the responses. There are a bunch of e55k's in your state- see if you can set up a run with one of them.
 

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the reason why the E55 doesn't run as good of an acceleration time is the silly TQ that it makes relative to the mediocre tires that it comes from the factory.

The E55 wagon is a little quicker since the 200lbs of extra weight sits over the rear tires.

As a matter of fact it's been purported of E55 running better launch times with passengers and/or a loaded trunk.
 

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That's a total myth. The sedans hold all the records for both stock and modified. No car will run better times w/a worse hp/weight ratio.
 

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That's a total myth. The sedans hold all the records for both stock and modified. No car will run better times w/a worse hp/weight ratio.
The explanation lies within better weight distribution, which in turn results in a more efficient launch. The wagon carries 51 percent of its curb weight over the rear wheels, whereas the sedan burdens its hind legs with just 47 percent. Simply put, the wagon's rear-driven 265/35R-18 Continentals are able to hook up like two college freshmen, thrusting the "estate" off into the sunset with ungodly authority. The wagon bettered the sedan's 70-to-0 braking—from 173 feet to 171—as well as its skidpad performance, which jumped from 0.83 g to 0.85.

So, compared with the sedan, the wagon is quicker and handles better, and it's way more practical.
 

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The explanation lies within better weight distribution, which in turn results in a more efficient launch. The wagon carries 51 percent of its curb weight over the rear wheels, whereas the sedan burdens its hind legs with just 47 percent. Simply put, the wagon's rear-driven 265/35R-18 Continentals are able to hook up like two college freshmen, thrusting the "estate" off into the sunset with ungodly authority. The wagon bettered the sedan's 70-to-0 braking—from 173 feet to 171—as well as its skidpad performance, which jumped from 0.83 g to 0.85.

So, compared with the sedan, the wagon is quicker and handles better, and it's way more practical.
My guess would be more like different test conditions and numbers that weren't achieved back to back.

It's a total myth that you can add weight to the back of a vehicle and have it run a faster 1/4 time. The additional weight requires more traction to break the inertia of a sitting vehicle. If that was the case you would see drag cars with weight added to the back.

A wagon with a higher center of gravity will not corner as well as a sedan unless it's suspension has been set up differently than the sedans or it has different tires. .
 

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It's not so much about adding weight to the vehicle as oppose to the weight distribution.

Do a search, one of the car mags did test out the E55 wagon and did get better ET times.

Go figure.......
 

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It's not so much about adding weight to the vehicle as oppose to the weight distribution.

Do a search, one of the car mags did test out the E55 wagon and did get better ET times.

Go figure.......
I'm sure a car mag got a better time with the wagon. I wasn't doubting you on that. We don't know test conditions or test procedures. Those things cause variables.

Everyone faults Car and Driver for not getting the best times. They are right, C&D doesn't want to get the best times. They want to get consistant times using the exact same test procedures. They want you to be able to compare a car they tested in 2005 with a car they test today. They could get better times if they just focused on getting the best run for that particular pass.

MM&FF has a low 12's number for both the GT500 and the 03/04 Cobra. Theoretically you can get that number. Consistantly you won't. Consistantly you will get the 13.1-12.8 that a C&D gets.

I have a 12.79 pass with my current F-Body. If you ask me I'll tell you it runs a 13.0-13.1. I know that I can consistantly deliver those numbers.

Each magazine tests cars differently. Car and Driver might get a 13.0 from a car and Road and Track might get a 13.4. You can't compare a test number from the R&T car with the C&D car, the use different procedures.

One magazine might have gotten a certain time from a wagon, but my guess is they would get a better time from a sedan using the same test procedures. Physics are unforgiving.
 

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I bumped into a E63 AMG twice on the tollway, 1'st time i was behind him, I see the puff of black blast out his tail pipes and we were off, he got about 1- 1 1/2 car lengths in front of me and then he couldnt pull any farther away from me before he slowed down to take his exit, the 2'nd time i was just cruising minding my own business on my way home from work, glance in the rear view mirror and there is the Mercedes Hood Ornament starring me in the face (same guy), i drop in down to 2'nd, try to push the gas pedal thru the floor board and take off like a raped ape..... he was stuck to my ass like glue, had we had more room i have no doubt that he would have spanked a mud hole in my arse, and man, i had to slow down due to traffic and he got over in the other lane and got up beside me and floored it, i dont know what he did to that thing or what exhaust he did to it but it sounded SWEET.

I actually test drove a E55 AMG before buying my GTO, very nice car, but 30 grand for a car with 50,000 miles on it was a little out my price range, i would still be paying for it long after it died, and i did my homework first too. Just parts to repair the damn thing if needed would have required a second mortgage on the house.

Anyway, theres my Mercedes Story for ya.
 
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