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Greetings,

This is my first time posting. I have an original 1970 GTO with the 400 engine. The engine was running fine until I changed some parts out.

I replaced the thermostat, and the gasket. I replaced the fuel filter, and I replaced the spark plugs. I did not touch the distributor/cap, or anything else.

The engine will turn over, but not start. The fuel filter will fill with gas clearly, so it's getting fuel. I even tried dumping some gasoline in the carb, but that did nothing. I double checked that the spark plug wires were connected, and they seem to be fine, though maybe the terminal is too far in the boot after I took them off??

I'm at a loss, and I only have basic tools (nothing to test electrical or power). I'm thinking at this point of just replacing all of the spark plug wires because they are fairly old.

Any guidance would be appreciated.
 

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I suspect you messed up the firing order when you did the plug install. Verify that first. Also, you can pull the coil wire from the coil tower and hold it in place about 1/2 inch from the tower and have someone crank the engine to verify that you ARE getting a spark.
 

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Greetings,

This is my first time posting. I have an original 1970 GTO with the 400 engine. The engine was running fine until I changed some parts out.

I replaced the thermostat, and the gasket. I replaced the fuel filter, and I replaced the spark plugs. I did not touch the distributor/cap, or anything else.

The engine will turn over, but not start. The fuel filter will fill with gas clearly, so it's getting fuel. I even tried dumping some gasoline in the carb, but that did nothing. I double checked that the spark plug wires were connected, and they seem to be fine, though maybe the terminal is too far in the boot after I took them off??

I'm at a loss, and I only have basic tools (nothing to test electrical or power). I'm thinking at this point of just replacing all of the spark plug wires because they are fairly old.

Any guidance would be appreciated.
These cars pretty much only need fuel and spark to start. so since you dumped fuel down the carb with no effect, check for spark at the plug end. remove a spark plug wire and connect a screwdriver into the plug boot end. Then hold it close (1/4")to metal on the on the engine,then have someone crank the engine and look for the spark jumping from the screwdriver to the metal. Be sure not to touch the metal on the screwdriver. If you have no spark look at the plug wire connections on your distributor or check your coil by using the same method.
 

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I made sure I did one sparkplug at a time, so I know the order is not messed up.

Unfortunately, I live alone and don't know when I would be able to have someone come by and help start the engine while I check for spark.

I have a feeling it has to do with the spark plug wires at the plug ends. Some of them did not come off easily and I really had to tug on them, which may have affected the terminals.

But, even if a few spark plug wires were loose, the car should still be able to start with at least, lets say, 5 spark plugs and wires/correct? it would just run very poorly?
 

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I made sure I did one sparkplug at a time, so I know the order is not messed up.

Unfortunately, I live alone and don't know when I would be able to have someone come by and help start the engine while I check for spark.

I have a feeling it has to do with the spark plug wires at the plug ends. Some of them did not come off easily and I really had to tug on them, which may have affected the terminals.

But, even if a few spark plug wires were loose, the car should still be able to start with at least, lets say, 5 spark plugs and wires/correct? it would just run very poorly?
If your cars in a garage close the door shut the lights and look for spark. Or set the screwdriver wire set up higher and stand outside the car while you crank and you may see the spark. Or wait till evening. Abad wire or two will run bad or may not start and backfire somewhat.
 

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It is easy to install boots not all the way......you can re-Pull each boot one at a time and reset,..you should here and feel the click as the boot seats....just do one by one.

Also if your new spark plug gap is too wide it will cause a hard start, make sure you use a wire gauge spark plug gapped....if unsure of the gap regap....too wide and it will not crank easy
 

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I am in favor of doing 1 thing at a time if I am not confident in something ...
and just doing plugs and trying to restart is a smart idea ...

so the plug wires were tough to pull off eh ... we always like to SPIN the boot to break it loose b4 pulling it off or even to try n pull em off... if they are tuff to pull and the ones you think you may have had issue with put the light on that wire maybe first
no spark ?? move to another plug wire

DO NOT PUMP THE GAS pedal

I would check for spark 1st with the above tool

then we can move on ... since you have fuel to the carb it sounds like.... and it ran b4
the plug change ...
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Greetings,

This is my first time posting. I have an original 1970 GTO with the 400 engine. The engine was running fine until I changed some parts out.

I replaced the thermostat, and the gasket. I replaced the fuel filter, and I replaced the spark plugs. I did not touch the distributor/cap, or anything else.

The engine will turn over, but not start. The fuel filter will fill with gas clearly, so it's getting fuel. I even tried dumping some gasoline in the carb, but that did nothing. I double checked that the spark plug wires were connected, and they seem to be fine, though maybe the terminal is too far in the boot after I took them off??

I'm at a loss, and I only have basic tools (nothing to test electrical or power). I'm thinking at this point of just replacing all of the spark plug wires because they are fairly old.

Any guidance would be appreciated.
Just curious, did you figure out your issue?
 

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Sorry for the lack of response,

I never ended up getting it running, even after replacing the plug wires. I brought it to a reputable shop, and they said they were not able to get any spark period. They are going to replace the condenser, points, rotor, and distributor. They also are going to look into the timing.

I will keep you updated.
 

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I hope they are not shotgunning you b,could be as simple as no power to coil or bad coil don’t know about having distributor replaced , be careful
 

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Sorry for the lack of response,

I never ended up getting it running, even after replacing the plug wires. I brought it to a reputable shop, and they said they were not able to get any spark period. They are going to replace the condenser, points, rotor, and distributor. They also are going to look into the timing.

I will keep you updated.
Condenser, points, rotor. All need to be replaced periodically. The whole distributor? Are you sure they didn't say distributor cap? Any of those could cause a no spark situation. They didn't all fail at once though. I am in the business, so I understand if they're looking at a bunch of old stuff and wanting to start with known good parts. As mentioned, these are the wearing parts so do need to be replaced periodically. Hopfully they get to the crux of the matter quickly.
 

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These old cars are amazingly simple. Any Garage should be able to figure it out in around an hour , more likely less.

Its not like it has a computer or something. Wow.
 

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These old cars are amazingly simple. Any Garage should be able to figure it out in around an hour , more likely less.

Its not like it has a computer or something. Wow.
It would probably take them that long to try to find the computer terminal under the dash
 

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Yeah sorry, meant to say cap!

I definitely don't believe they all failed at once, and neither does the shop. Just part of the rest of the tune up and one of them potentially being the culprits.
 

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I had a guy put points in a chevy years ago. He disturbed the lead wire to the coil(inside the distributor) and the rotating parts chewed through it , shorted out, and the car would not run.
 

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bad 10.00 condenser ... the key got left on ........toasted points...
I hope you have looked into new mufflers
because
when it starts up all the fuel in the exhaust is going to light off and make a nice backfire ,,,,
and might blow a muffler or 2 at the seam ,,,,

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Out of curiosity, after everything is running smoothly and the tune up is complete, what performance mod would be my best bang for the buck? It's a 400 engine with edelbrock heads, and a Holley double pumper carb. Everything else is stock.
 
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