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Hey guys, I am totally new to this site and excited to be apart of it. Bare with me if I mess up or anything. I grew up with my dad owning a 1968 GTO convertible with factory bench seat and column (automatic) shift, his first car! I always loved it and swore I would get one someday. Well I did and this is the problem..

I got my 67 LeMans about a year and a half ago for my first car. Previously, I had a '76 Trans am with 400-4 that I kept and put in the LeMans since it was just body and interior. I absolutely love it and am currently restoring it. The only problem is I don't know what the story is behind it. It has the '66 tailights with the crescents on the outsides of the tail panel. The VIN tag and data tag on the firewall however say it's a '67. I've tried researching this and so far nothing. All i could get was that it was a '67 built in the first week of January. But wouldn't they have switched to the new style by then? I've also looked for maybe some welding around the tail panel or something odd like that. The VIN has not been changed and neither has the data tag. Another note is that it doesn't have the louvers behind the doors like a '67 would.

So what is it?!
Much help is appreciated.

Thanks again, I am excited about being apart of this forum.
 

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i could be wrong so dont go directly by me but i think you have a 67 tempest. it almost exactly the same as a lemans except it has different tail light, those half round looking ones and it doesnt have the loovers on the side quarter panals like the gto. there are prob other differences but i dont know what they are. and i think some tempests have a molding on the front fenders. other guys on this sit can tell you more. there are guys on this site that know alot and can really help you with info on pontiacs. ive learned alot
 

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You could be right but I've researched the vin and the code comes out to be a lemans and not a tempest. I'm not new to GTO's and learned and know a lot from my dad when he restored his.

Thanks for your help though! I see yours has seen its better days
 

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welcome to the forum Shred, i have a 66 Tempest custom and it has the cresents as did the 66' lemans only the Lemans had a 4' x3" PONTIAC fluted chrome panel between the lights instead of just a badge. what does the header panel look like on your car, does the chrome trim wrap under the nose, if so thats 67'. as stated the Tempest and tempest custom in 66' and 67' used those taillights the custom would have a full length body side trim. and the 67 Lemans should have shark gill trim in front of the rear wheels which the 66 did not have. post some pics and we can figure it out. What does the passenger dash bar say on it. Tempest had the name with no grab bar. Lemans and gto had both bar and tag. seems to me though that i have seen a 67' lemans with those tailights, wonder if they may have started the year with the 66 panels and changed them out mid year as thats the first year the GTO was its own model and the tailight treatments differentiated the three models Tempest/Lemans/GTO....:confused Personally i like the crescents the best of the three, especially with the big chrome bar between them, so i picked one up for mine, not correct but who can not like a full chrome A** end



http://s1098.photobucket.com/albums/g372/instg8ter/1966 Tempest/

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Thanks Brian! It's been driving me crazy. I'd have to agree, my favorite is the crescents like we both have. Mine does have the chrome bar going across the back. It also has LeMans and bar on the dash. No gills in front of the rear tires though or on the front fenders like the 66s had.

I also couldn't figure out how to post pictures since I'm new :lol:
 

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see if you can look behind the quarters for the filler worms where they might have deleted the gills. on your front header panel the piece around the grilles, does it have a 1/2" chrome trim that wraps under the nose tip?, if so it's a 67' the 66' has no nose chrome and would be like a double wishbone shape. it's definitely a Lemans you can decode what month it was built, it may have been built in late 66' for 67' model year with 66' tailpanel (stranger things have happened). mine was built in dec. 65' and has the 65 style headliner, mid 66' they switched to your style.

For pictures the easiest way is set up a free photobucket.com account and make an album with all your pics, great for chronicling your restore also. then just click on the IMG code of the picture you want to show and paste it in your post. you can also put your album address in your signature as link to it like this...

ohhh and i have the trunk eyebrow chrome too, is just off for paint prep...

1966 Tempest pictures by instg8ter - Photobucket
 

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It was built in the first week of January in 67. i still don't know what you mean with the whole grill thing. It looks like nothing attaches to that x shape piece in the front. It looks like they just sit in there and that they're one piece.

67 Lemans (2).jpeg
 

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very interesting, the changes between 66' and 67' were just that nose piece, rocker panel trim and the taillight treatment on the exterior. so if your car is tagged a 67'

a.) it was sold early year and made with 66' parts...hmmm (could see taillights but not both back and front)

b.) it has been re-done with 66' and GTO parts (hood) possibly a started clone project

Either way its a bad a** pontiac and it gives you a great story to go with the car, Pontiac did do some weird things as they were changing the cars styling every two years. Mine is ending up a tribute to all things Pontiac, using Lemans tail chrome, GTO grilles w/just the "pontiac" badge in them, hood tach (not available until 67'), and looking for GTO hood but all badges will be Tempest and original
 

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Pontiac did not use prior-year parts on following year models....not body panels, anyway! They would not have been able to sell the vehicles if they looked a year old when new. Door handles and nuts and bolts were cycled on, yeah, but everything else was date coded and done in order. (rear ends, trannies, engines, intakes, manifolds, etc. etc. ALL '67 Tempests and Leman's had the rectangular tail lights. The '66 crescent did NOT come on ANY '67 cars from the factory. I too like it much better than the '67 style, in fact, the '66 Tempest is a "cleaner" looking car to me than the '67. That said, either the VIN and trim tags were changed, or the front grilles and tailpanel were. I'd be checking the VIN on the LR frame rail to see what's REALLY going on!!! What I see is a '66 model.
 

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:agree What he said. We need a good, clear pic of the VIN tag and rivets.
Sounds like a "rebody".
 

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Like I said, vin says it's a 67 built in the first week of January. And the vin and data have factory rivets on the tags. On the back panel, i can't find any spots that look like they welded a new panel in or anything. looks original. The rest of the car though screams 66. Like window cranks and interior patterns. But the vin and data say 67. Weird right? Any idea if PHS could tell me some more information or would they say it's a mistake or that somebody messed with the original?
 

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My 66 is a cloan out of Georgia. Georgia is very liberal with old car registration. My car doesn't have a cowl tag and the vin tag rivets are rusting. I think my car is the same way, field car without a title, found donor car for title and vin tag, rebody. You may be able to look on the rear frame rail for the original vin, assuming it has the original frame.
You can buy the factory rivets to make it look correct. What is the vin? It may have been a left over 66 titled in 67 and that's what made it onto the title.
 

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The title mistake is a possibility. My '67 GTO has been titled as a 1968 model since DMV messed up in 1983. I gave up trying to set them straight. My car is in my avitar, and it isn't a '68, that's for sure. The vin and the trim say "67". It was built in Sept. 1966!!!
 

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thats very possible, i know when i changed my title it said 1966 "TGO"....and it is not a 242 car, i asked the clerk if change it and she said they do not even list the model anymore just as a 1966 Pontiac.
 

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It's kind of a bummer really. Not quite sure what to do with it and wished it was a 68 convertible with hideaways. But i guess I fix it up, have fun with it, and maybe sell it later on? (maybe even for a new cyclone grey 2006 m6 ) But the question now is, would anyone buy it if it's partially 66 partially 67? I know now a days people are looking for original, and this one definitely isn't.
 

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YES someone would buy it, it looks to be in descent shape get it running nice, freshen it up, drive it to school and make all the kids envious of your stellar taste in automobiles, and chicks love old hotrods ....it appears to be a 66' so call it that, and since its a Lemans it won't effect value as much as if a GTO. really no different than you putting your birds engine in it. Keep researching ...order PHS, it's only 40.00 and that might help sort it out.

could look like this with a little spit and shine...would you buy this?
 

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It's kind of a bummer really. Not quite sure what to do with it and wished it was a 68 convertible with hideaways. But i guess I fix it up, have fun with it, and maybe sell it later on? (maybe even for a new cyclone grey 2006 m6 ) But the question now is, would anyone buy it if it's partially 66 partially 67? I know now a days people are looking for original, and this one definitely isn't.
You do understand that some of us think the coke bottle shape of the 66/7 GTO/Lemans is our favorite body style ever?? Check out my profile, I have a really nice 70, but can't wait til I get my 66 done. Appreciate what you have, many of us have waited years to get what we had back in the day. Your glass is half full, and you will kick yourself in the ass years down the road if you sell it, then realize what you had..:eek:
 
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