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I am looking at a 1967 Lemans/ GTO (its got parts from both and I havnt looked at it yet to figure out what it started life out as). I was wondering what I should be looking for as far as problems/ rust/ etc (that i can find out looking at it) that are known problems with this year Goat.
 

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look at the vin. i beleive the gto starts with 242. if it is different it is a lemans. also the tail lights panel section is way different on gtos and lemans.
 

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Yea, I can tell what it is wen I get a look at it, Im a GTO nut, bu have never owned one.
I just need help in knowing if there are any special things i should look for that are problem causers or problems themselves that I can find out just by giving it a thorough look over.
 

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You should pay close attention to the following areas for rust or excessive body filler,

The front fenders behind the tires, there is a brace that held moisture and was the cause of rust front the inside out,
The tail panel around the tail lights,
The rear quarters in front and back of the tires and along the rocker extensions.
The front and rear windshield channels,
The c pillars,
The floor and the trunk pans,

Check out the bushings under the body and the control arms, if they are shot you may as well plan on a frame off that can turn into a very expensive project.
 

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Thanks guys.
A couple other questions.

About how much would a rear window, and weatherstripping cost?

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What would be a better/ more period body filler to use; Lead or bondo? Im thinking Lead b/c I just hate bondo...
 

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look at the vin. i beleive the gto starts with 242. if it is different it is a lemans. also the tail lights panel section is way different on gtos and lemans.
In 67, the GTO was "242", the LeMans was "237", Tempest was "233" and I think Tempest Custom was either "235" or "236".
 

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Thanks guys.
A couple other questions.

About how much would a rear window, and weatherstripping cost?

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What would be a better/ more period body filler to use; Lead or bondo? Im thinking Lead b/c I just hate bondo...

The last new rear window I purchased was around $300+/-, I have a used one for sale in this thread. The windshield seal kit is around $30 +/-.
 

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Well, Im goin to look at it monday.
But, from what I hear from the guy who is selling it: (all of this IS taken with a grain of salt untill I see it)
The car is a Nevada car, its got almost no through rust.
It is missing the rear window, and the seal.
It had some shoddy dent repair on the Drivers 1/4.
Area b/w trunk and rear window needs to be redone.
Frame is good condition.
Interior needs to be redone.
Dash, gauges, etc all there.
It has 2 taillights in a line each having 3 "mini lights" in them = Its a Lemans, or has the rear of a Lemans. But it has a GTO number on the VIN...Meaning either a replaced VIN or he used a Lemans as a part car and didnt know what parts wouldnt work right.

Now my perspective:
Its from nevada, If its been sitting for any time without care (or with shoddy care) the seals will need to be replaced.

It comes with 2 motors (326, and 400 H.O.) as well as 2 T400 trannys. That to me is saying that its well worth what its going for ($4500).

But all in all this is gonna be a fun piece of detective work to find out what it is.
 

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The 400 HO motor should be worth a few bucks. there is a NOS GTO tail panel on e-bay for $795....a repro is $300, I have no idea how the fit is. Good luck! Eric
 

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If it has a LeMans tail panel, my bet is that it's really a Lemans. NOBODY converts GTO's into LeMans's!!! Check it out thoroughly!!! Good Luck!
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yea, im gonna look at it. My guess on the tail panel is that if its actually a GTO its been fixed with a Lemans tail panel (that would also explain the shoddy metalwork on the 1/4, if someone doesn't know how to do stuff like that right how would they know what parts to use? lol)
But as for now Im gonna consider it a Lemans.

What are your guy's views on turning it into a GTO Clone?
A GTO is something Ive always wanted, and I wont sell it. I myself dont much like clones but I cant afford a real GTO.

EDIT: I got some pictures in an email. Looks like it IS a Lemans, but somone put a GTO VIN and hood on it sometime in the past.




 

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That is a Le Mans. It has the gills on the quarters in front of the rear wheels, the tail panel, and the front fender lemans call-outs. Around here, that is about an 800 dollar car. Seriously. If the tag HAS been changed to a GTO's, it is not legal, and may be a stolen vehicle or the tag may be from a stolen vehicle. I would give it a WIDE berth. Be patient, hang tight, and something better will come your way. There is NOTHING wrong with a Lemans, it's just that you can get a much nicer, legitimate car with a clean bill of health (and sale) elsewhere. Just my opinion, and I've driven and owned GTO's since 1978.
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Well the big problem for me is Im from Minnesota... we dont get too many nice cars for decent prices (I cant afford anything over $5k since Im paying for college.)

I have looked far and wide for a (non 04-06) GTO that is in that catagory, even a junker around here usually goes for $6k+. The cheapest Ive found a GTO was a 68 Shell and frame (nothing else) and that was going for $8k.

But Damn... Thought I caught a winner here.
 

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Be patient!!! It would be worth your while to buy one in a different area, possibly have a club member check it out, and have it shipped to you. You could end up getting a way nicer car for less cash. In California, that car, as I stated, would not bring a grand. But, it is what it is....up in the rust belt, it may just be worthwhile. I am really leery of the title and trim plate switcheroo, though. It smells fishy to me!!
 

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Yea patience is a virtue I've got a lot of. Im trying to find GTO's in other areas, but am dumbfounded as how to find em (Ebay= not good).

EDIT:

OK, Update. It DOES NOT have GTO numbers... I asked the dude, he read em to me. I heard it had GTO numbers from my friend who saw it for sale (FWIW he is not a pontiac guy...)

This is now starting to look a bit brighter for me.

Also I just looked and the car has now popped up on ebay....
eBay Motors: Pontiac : Le Mans (item 300273020738 end time Nov-19-08 07:54:25 PST)
 

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You're not alone. I thought I found my ride. I drove 90 mins to look at it, looked good. Was a Lemans Sport all Judged out. RAIII and all was done up right. MINT condition, good price and too good to be true. I gave the guy a deposit and the day I was to get it, I found out the title was open, and the persons name on the title was nowhere to be found. I was really pissed and was able to cancel payment on the check.

When you find the right one, ask to see the title. I wasted 1 week of my time setting things up with insurance, etc only to find the "title is OK" was ok in his mind but not in the mind of PennDOT.
 

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Wow man that sucks. I had that kind of experience once.... but mine was with a '70 Olds Cutlass S, turned out that the guy decided not to pay to have the title transferred over to him in the 90s... That was a real headache (not only did I have to cancel a check but I had to find a place to get rid of $500 worth of cutlass parts.....)
 

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Around here, that is about an 800 dollar car. Be patient, hang tight, and something better will come your way. There is NOTHING wrong with a Lemans, it's just that you can get a much nicer, legitimate car with a clean bill of health (and sale) elsewhere.
Well the big problem for me is Im from Minnesota... we dont get too many nice cars for decent prices.
Be patient!!! It would be worth your while to buy one in a different area, possibly have a club member check it out, and have it shipped to you. You could end up getting a way nicer car for less cash. In California, that car, as I stated, would not bring a grand. But, it is what it is....up in the rust belt, it may just be worthwhile.
If you can find cars in better condition than this in CA for a grand, I'll take a whole transport full of them.......:D

Ranger's right. The price may be still be a tad high, even for here in that shape, but it will sell for well over 1k. A clean body and title up here is worth that.......;)
 
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