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Hey all,

I'm buying some 74cc D Port Kauffman heads from Tin Indian, their cam, Butler stroker assembly and I have a usable block. Does anyone have any recommendations for a motor builder in the Detroit area? I'm thinking of Chuck's Engine Exchange in Westland.
 

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:nerd:z:nerd:I had Butler do mine they are fabulous. When they race prep and build your engine, really first class. If your don’t have any luck you might reach back to Butler and explore some prices. I have been to their shop many times, it is well stocked and that machine shop is clean as a pin and real pros.

They are great people too, they will talk straight with you. And can supply period short blocks too.
 

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Thanks, LG. Was hoping to find something closer to home, although I'll be using Butler parts.... I gotta think that someone in the Motor City can still build a Pontiac engine. Going to check on prices with Tin Indian. They're a three hour or less drive from me if I can't find anyone I like around the D.

I'm usually a more cogent writer.... I just read my original post. Did I really say I'm going to buy "some" heads? Two. I'm going to buy two heads.....
 

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Holbrook is right down the street from me. Anyone know if they do old engines or just new race stuff? Back in my younger days, Carl Holbrook was the guy to see, for Fords anyway....
 

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May I suggest Impastato Racing Engines - Chesterfield Township
Chesterfield Township › Automotive Parts Store
Phone, (586) 749-0200 · Address. 56305 Precision Dr; Chesterfield Township 48051 ... Out of every "best" engine rebuilder out there, Vince was the best from my own personal experiences going back to 1984.
 

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Thanks BD. I'm checking out KRE and Tin Indian in OH. I've heard that the Tin Indian guys do a better porting job on the Kauffman heads than KRE does.
 

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Afraid my contacts up that way are no help.

I am fortunate to have one of the best Pontiac builders about 50 miles from me in Greenwood, SC He has done Pontiacs for several guys on the PY forum with great results. He also has access to a dyno for his builds. Here is the most recent build on the PY forum (member came down from Maryland):

Dyno Day 461 Stroker - PY Online Forums

Here are links to Mr. Sless's business:

https://greenwoodautoparts.com/


Not helpful to our OP but for any members closer, hope this info is helpful.
 

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I think Milt Schornack of Royal Bobcat fame is or was affiliated with Motor City Muscle/D&S engine at some point in the past. At a minimum, they were Milt's choice for the Royal Bobcat tribute car.
Motor City Muscle

I'm keeping a close eye on this thread, I'm also looking for an engine builder in the Motor City to rebuild and update my matching numbers '66 engine. I'll keep mine close to stock specifications although updated for modern fuels. I like the upgrades that are part of their process, the Stage I will probably be fine for my needs:

"A base engine build consists of remanufacturing back to factory specifications. Including : Machine work, fit and finished work. New parts include: Pistons, rings, bearings, block/head plugs, cam, lifters, pushrods, rocker nuts, valve springs, valves, timing set, oil pump, gaskets/seals, ARP fasteners."


During my last visit Barry at Sonic mentioned a top Pontiac engine builder who was a former Pontiac employee, I forgot the guys name although i'm sure that Barry would be happy to share it with you.
 

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I used Fastlane Racing in Taylor, he knows Pontiacs, Wife has a 69' Firebird (just like my first car) I have been trying to get her to part with for years. Clay is the owner, last name escapes me. He did my motor originally almost 10 years ago, and when i had a fire 2 years ago he went through it, new bearings and put on the dual Quads i had laying around.
 

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Dan Jensen hands down. I guess it all depends on what your looking for as far as end result and local support.
Perfect, thanks! Will check him out. Definitely geographically desirable.
 

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I think Milt Schornack of Royal Bobcat fame is or was affiliated with Motor City Muscle/D&S engine at some point in the past. At a minimum, they were Milt's choice for the Royal Bobcat tribute car.
Motor City Muscle

I'm keeping a close eye on this thread, I'm also looking for an engine builder in the Motor City to rebuild and update my matching numbers '66 engine. I'll keep mine close to stock specifications although updated for modern fuels. I like the upgrades that are part of their process, the Stage I will probably be fine for my needs:

"A base engine build consists of remanufacturing back to factory specifications. Including : Machine work, fit and finished work. New parts include: Pistons, rings, bearings, block/head plugs, cam, lifters, pushrods, rocker nuts, valve springs, valves, timing set, oil pump, gaskets/seals, ARP fasteners."


During my last visit Barry at Sonic mentioned a top Pontiac engine builder who was a former Pontiac employee, I forgot the guys name although i'm sure that Barry would be happy to share it with you.
Thanks, will check them out. Going to see a guy named Gonzalez in Dearborn Heights on Van Born.
 

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please let me know what you find there, as I mentioned needing similar work. good luck
Will do. Going to see Gonzalez tuesday. He couldn't make it yesterday. Have an email in to Motor City Muscle but haven't heard back from them. Tin Indian told me around $15k, pending an itemized quote to have them build the engine I want. Basically, a 500 HP stroker.
 

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Well, I think I picked my engine builder...... Ray Gonzalez in Dearborn Heights. He used to work for Royal Pontiac in the good old days (He's 82 years old!!). I took the bore gauge to the block that's been sitting in my garage for close to 30 years and was happy to find bore diameters around 4.129......Next stop, buying the stroker kit.

The guys at Tin Indian tole me I could go to 11.5:1 with flat top pistons and Kauffman 74 CC heads and still run on pump gas. I think I'm going to go with the 85cc heads and keep it around 10.25:1.

Cam will either be a Lunati VooDoo or Tin Indian's custom grind that looks similar to the Ram Air V cam. I think it's their HO 041 grind.

I'm leaning toward using the original 4bb Pontiac intake.

Will now be searching the forum for suggestions on carbs.
 

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I think Milt Schornack of Royal Bobcat fame is or was affiliated with Motor City Muscle/D&S engine at some point in the past. At a minimum, they were Milt's choice for the Royal Bobcat tribute car.
Motor City Muscle

I'm keeping a close eye on this thread, I'm also looking for an engine builder in the Motor City to rebuild and update my matching numbers '66 engine. I'll keep mine close to stock specifications although updated for modern fuels. I like the upgrades that are part of their process, the Stage I will probably be fine for my needs:

"A base engine build consists of remanufacturing back to factory specifications. Including : Machine work, fit and finished work. New parts include: Pistons, rings, bearings, block/head plugs, cam, lifters, pushrods, rocker nuts, valve springs, valves, timing set, oil pump, gaskets/seals, ARP fasteners."


During my last visit Barry at Sonic mentioned a top Pontiac engine builder who was a former Pontiac employee, I forgot the guys name although i'm sure that Barry would be happy to share it with you.
Well, I have a call in to D&S in Clawson:
Contact Us - D&S Engine Specialists

A local guy with a lot of Pontiac experience recommended Vic Knight too. Have a call in to him also. Vic's in Commerce Twp. Thank you all for the recommendations.
About Us - Vics Auto and Performance Responsive
 

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Hey all,

I'm buying some 74cc D Port Kauffman heads from Tin Indian, their cam, Butler stroker assembly and I have a usable block. Does anyone have any recommendations for a motor builder in the Detroit area? I'm thinking of Chuck's Engine Exchange in Westland

I didn't read on what your goals are? Is this a street car or for racing ? I'm just curious as you look like your spending huge money on a motor that is most likely a drag racing motor.only I'm not for 500+ hp motor that you want to drive on street. Lots of issues. Heat/ vacuum, and many more. I had a local shop help built a nice motor for 3800 but only 360 hp 450 lbs but it's a blast on the street . I can melt the tires and drive in summer with ac and never over 190 temps . Just make sure you know what your getting into and it matches what you want . Good luck on your build . Doug
 

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Hey all,

I'm buying some 74cc D Port Kauffman heads from Tin Indian, their cam, Butler stroker assembly and I have a usable block. Does anyone have any recommendations for a motor builder in the Detroit area? I'm thinking of Chuck's Engine Exchange in Westland

I didn't read on what your goals are? Is this a street car or for racing ? I'm just curious as you look like your spending huge money on a motor that is most likely a drag racing motor.only I'm not for 500+ hp motor that you want to drive on street. Lots of issues. Heat/ vacuum, and many more. I had a local shop help built a nice motor for 3800 but only 360 hp 450 lbs but it's a blast on the street . I can melt the tires and drive in summer with ac and never over 190 temps . Just make sure you know what your getting into and it matches what you want . Good luck on your build . Doug
Points well taken, Doug. After looking at the compression computer online the other day, I'm going with unported 87 cc Edelbrock heads out of the box for 10:1. This isn't improving much along the line of cost though. Car will be used as a summer driver in town and at the 1/8 mile strip in town very occasionally. I guess I could just use my original cast crank and rods but figured while I'm doing it I may as well go with forged. I'm using stock carb and intake so no big expense there. I could save a few bucks on the cam without the rollers I guess. Thanks for your input. You think I would have big heat issues with the 87cc heads and this cam? I didn't think these cam specs and a 2000 stall converter were that radical for the street. Would I still have heat issues in northern MI? What do you think (no a/c. Don't need it up there.....)?

Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 219/227
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .515/.530
LSA/ICL: 112/106
Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
RPM Range: 1800-580

Thanks,

Other Doug
 
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