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I have heard about thes brake pads many times(4 times today:willy: ) do they actually work??


EBC Red Stuff Brake Pads - Front




Since this material was introduced in late 2003, it has received many positive write ups from performance drivers of faster cars such as the Cobalt SS and Ion Redline. This is a truly impressive fast road pad for repeated heavy braking. It emits far less dust than semi-metallic pads and has been proven to stop a saloon car 13 metres quicker than OEM pads from 100mph/160kph. Features EBC Brake-InTM surface coating which conditions rotor surface and accelerates pad bed-in. Average friction coefficient 0.5!


hera a link

http://www.gravanatuning.com/applic....0.aspx/3/830/_EBC_Red_Stuff_Brake_Pads_Front
 

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MJGTOWISH said:
I have heard about thes brake pads many times(4 times today:willy: ) do they actually work??

EBC Red Stuff Brake Pads - Front

Since this material was introduced in late 2003, it has received many positive write ups from performance drivers of faster cars such as the Cobalt SS and Ion Redline. This is a truly impressive fast road pad for repeated heavy braking. It emits far less dust than semi-metallic pads and has been proven to stop a saloon car 13 metres quicker than OEM pads from 100mph/160kph. Features EBC Brake-InTM surface coating which conditions rotor surface and accelerates pad bed-in. Average friction coefficient 0.5!
Errrr- - -they may be wonderful pads, however the Cobalt SS and Ion Redline are really not in the same class as the GTO, now are they?

I had ceramic pads put on my Maxima the last time, and I love them. NO DUST at all on the wheels.
 

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Dunno about the reds but the greens suck big time..........


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They sound impressive, but I wonder how much heat build up they produce. Too much would warp the rotors.:eek:
 

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I have been using them on the track on my Cobra replica where I really like them. They have never faded and provide good feedback and modulation. They do, however, have to get a fair amount of heat into them before they work well so I switch to another pad for the street. (Keep in mind that this is on a 2000 lb car with manual brakes).
 

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They sound impressive, but I wonder how much heat build up they produce. Too much would warp the rotors.:eek:
Warped rotors are more myth than fact:
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml

I've been using a ceramic based racing pad on my Z06 for years (Carbotech XP line) and know from first hand experience that ceramic pads can and do outperform semi-metallic pads, but... outperform is a relative term. Brake pads are designed for a specific application and heat range. What works for the track isn't ideal for the street and visa versa. Kind of like tires, there is no "best". Do you want a pad that lasts 30k miles, or a pad that works at track temps, but only lasts 500 miles? Neither one is "best", just designed for the application for which they will be used.

As an example, take a look at the variance in the Carbotech line:

CARBOTECH PANTHER XP11 (1111):
The latest iteration of the highly successful Panther 1100 series of compounds with even higher initial bite, torque and fade resistance than compound 1110!!! This was the favored compound of 2005 for SCCA T1 and T2 national drivers. Recommended only for cars weighing more than 2900lbs using R-compound tires or racing slicks. (SCCA T1, T2, A-Sedan, GT1, Trans-Am, NASCAR, etc) Not recommended as a daily-driving street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise

CARBOTECH PANTHER XP10 (1110):
For 2004, Carbotech unleashed Panther XP10 (compound 1110), and it was an instant success, gathering multiple regional, divisional, and even national SCCA road racing championships. This is a very high initial bite friction material, with a friction coefficient well above .6. Fade resistance is in excess of 1600F. Due to the high level of friction and bite, this material is recommended only for cars in excess of 2400lbs using R-compound race tires or slicks (SCCA SCC, SSB, ITS, Spec-Miata etc.) XP10 is also ideal for advanced/instructor level HPDE drivers. Compound 1110 still maintains the excellent modulation, rotor friendliness, and non corrosive dust that has made all Carbotech 1100-series friction compounds so successful! Not recommended as a daily-driving street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.

CARBOTECH PANTHER XP9 (1109):
Another iteration of our successful Panther compound series, 1109 offers even higher initial bite, higher friction coefficient (.6+), and higher fade resistance (1400+F) than 1108 compound, yet still maintains the rotor friendliness and streetability similar to all our Panther compounds. Limited availability. Call to verify if XP9 is available for your car. Not recommended as a daily-driving street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.

CARBOTECH PANTHER XP8 (1108):
A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range (250F to 1350F). Outstanding initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction (0.58-0.60), excellent modulation and release characteristics, extremely high fade resistance, very rotor friendly with non-corrosive dust. Excellent for lighter ITA, ITB, ITC, Spec-RX7, etc race cars. Perfect for intermediate - advanced track/HPDE use with any tire, but still can be easily driven to and from the track. Not recommended as a daily-driving street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.

CARBOTECH PANTHER PLUS (1106):

A high torque brake compound delivering reliable and consistent performance over a very wide operating temperature range (150F to 1250F). Advanced compound matrix provides an excellent initial "bite", high coefficient of friction (0.54-0.56), and very progressive brake modulation and release characteristics. Panther Plus offers high fade resistance, rotor friendliness at all temperatures, excellent cold stopping power, and non corrosive dust. As a result, Panther Plus is an excellent choice for beginner-novice lapping day and high performance driver's schools on street driven cars using street or R-compound tires, eliminating the need to change brake pads at the track. Panther Plus has gained tremendous popularity with SCCA Prosolo/Solo2 competitors for its fantastic bite and modulation. In addition, Panther Plus has seen great success as a race-only pad on lighter improved touring and vintage race cars (ITC, etc). Not recommended as a daily-driving street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.

Carbotech Bobcat (1521) :

Carbotech Bobcat (1521) is the much anticipated replacement for our heralded Super Street F. Like our Panther line of compounds, Bobcat is a ceramic based friction material offering minimal rotor damage and non reactive dust. Bobcat offers outstanding performance when cold, low dusting, and low noise with an excellent initial bite. This compound’s virtually perfect linear torque production provides incredible braking force without ABS intervention. Friction coefficient is ~.45 over its operating range of ambient temp to 900F. Bobcat is suitable for all street cars, perfect for your tow vehicle, and has won multiple SCCA Solo 2 and Prosolo national championships. Ideal pad for all SCCA Street Touring classes using street tires. Bobcat is not recommended for on-track driving schools or club racing.

I use the XP11 front, and XP10 rear. But for the street on a GTO, you may be all the way down at Panther Plus or maybe Bobcat pads. Quite a wide variance in performance, cold stopping power, dusting, life, etc throughout this product line (and other brake pad companies as well).

You'll need to do more research to determine if the EBC Red Stuff Brake Pads are really what you want. :cheers
 
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