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Ford has lost out to Toyota and then some. It's now the number 4 car manufacturer. Toyota is number 2 at 9.018 million with GM at 9.18 million. It is surmised that Toyota will overtake GM as the number one manufacturer this year.

A very interesting sidebar to this is, Toyota is increasing sales to rental fleets while GM and Ford are decreasing. GM while decreasing fleet sales still saw a 1 percent car in car sales for 2006. Half of the increase that Toyta saw came from fleet sales.

Fleet sales are always bad for a manufacturer in the long run. In the average persons mind rental cars are cheap. Then the rentals flood the market with cheap high mileage nearly new cars that drive retails down on new cars and resale gets hurt on used. Also rentals are abused and tend to be less reliable as a used car, so the manufacturers reputation gets hurt. While short term it is good for Toyota, this doesn't bode well for long term health. They are following the path GM has just been down.

It's generally regarded by investors that GM has turned the corner. Ford on the other hand is about where GM was a year ago and they are not as healthy as GM was at this point. While it's way to early to say that Ford is close or going to go bankrupt, they are closer to it than a company would like to be. Another ominous bump in the road for Ford is going to be UAW negotiations for the contract that is up this fall. A strike would surely push them over the edge. Not getting some concessions from the UAW or worse having to actually increase pay or benefits would probably be just as fatal.

Pray for the company that Henry started. America needs her.
 

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Don't know if you heard or not, but FoMoCo sold Aston Martin to French luxury conglomerate LVMH today for $1.2B. A good move for Ford, as they can now take Jaguar further upmarket without concern of cannibalizing sales.

Meanwhile, our local Lincoln Mercury dealer is in its death throes. Wholesaled all their used cars to raise cash, dumped their Jeep franchise and are now down to 10 cars on the lot total. And this dealer has been in operation for 60 years.

The guy who screwed Ford was Jac Nasser. Pissed away billions on stuff like Aston Martin, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover, etc. and all kinds of stupid ideas like trying to sell lease turn ins online so they wouldn't go to auction. Every brand in PAG, Nasser's baby, is losing huge dough except for Volvo -- which just above breakeven. Basically every nickel they made on Explorers in the 90's was flushed -- instead of using it to build new plants, develop new technologies or overhaul outdated product platforms.

Although Ford's looking in bad shape right now, I really like Alan Mulally as CEO. Just don't know if the company can last long enough for him to implement his thinking on things like standardized parts, true world cars, etc. and get it turned around. His could be a good for Ford as Ghosn was for Renault/Nissan.

PS: You get any of that bad weather in your area last night? Heard it was pretty ferocious...
 

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I love it, the French own Aston Martin....I guess it's Jacques Bond now. That's gotta be a tough one for the Brits. The French have the good food and the good cars now.

Oh, and Ford is not number 4. They are a great big zero and have been for a long time.

Ford couldn't win a design competiton if they were the only one in it.

Quick, name a Ford product you'd buy.

Ford should do the decent thing and sell Volvo to GM.
 

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Don't know if you heard or not, but FoMoCo sold Aston Martin to French luxury conglomerate LVMH today for $1.2B. A good move for Ford, as they can now take Jaguar further upmarket without concern of cannibalizing sales.

Meanwhile, our local Lincoln Mercury dealer is in its death throes. Wholesaled all their used cars to raise cash, dumped their Jeep franchise and are now down to 10 cars on the lot total. And this dealer has been in operation for 60 years.

The guy who screwed Ford was Jac Nasser. Pissed away billions on stuff like Aston Martin, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover, etc. and all kinds of stupid ideas like trying to sell lease turn ins online so they wouldn't go to auction. Every brand in PAG, Nasser's baby, is losing huge dough except for Volvo -- which just above breakeven. Basically every nickel they made on Explorers in the 90's was flushed -- instead of using it to build new plants, develop new technologies or overhaul outdated product platforms.

Although Ford's looking in bad shape right now, I really like Alan Mulally as CEO. Just don't know if the company can last long enough for him to implement his thinking on things like standardized parts, true world cars, etc. and get it turned around. His could be a good for Ford as Ghosn was for Renault/Nissan.

PS: You get any of that bad weather in your area last night? Heard it was pretty ferocious...
It came through about 4 miles north of me. There is about 2000 homes damaged and about 20+ people dead. A friend couldn't make it into work. At the end of the street that leads into his plan is a junkyard. All the cars and parts got picked up out of the junkyard and deposited on his street.

My friends and family are all ok and so are all my co-workers. Thanks for asking.
 

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It's so goofy. How hard can it be to build a car that people want at a price they're willing to pay? They take a Lincoln LS, throw on a new body, and think people will pay 50G because it's a thunderbird. They leave every large car they have stuck in a timewarp while buying other brands with niche markets. Finally, they sink how much into the GT and sell how many.

Build great cars, structure options so they're not out of reach of buyers, and advertise like it's free. Oh, and control the damn dealers and stop ripping people off.

Still, I don’t know what they can do. Except for trucks and the Mustang, they have nothing going for them.
 

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I don't know, if I could get one for $40,000.00-ish, I'd buy a GT500. Too bad they scrapped the SVT Sport-trac.
But it's not $40K, it's $150K (without gouging by dealers). The Z06 is half that price and a better car.

Name a Ford you'd buy if you didn't live in fantasy world.
 

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It's so goofy. How hard can it be to build a car that people want at a price they're willing to pay? They take a Lincoln LS, throw on a new body, and think people will pay 50G because it's a thunderbird. They leave every large car they have stuck in a timewarp while buying other brands with niche markets. Finally, they sink how much into the GT and sell how many.

Build great cars, structure options so they're not out of reach of buyers, and advertise like it's free. Oh, and control the damn dealers and stop ripping people off.

Still, I don’t know what they can do. Except for trucks and the Mustang, they have nothing going for them.
Basically all you say here, like BA said, goes back to Nasser's vision for Ford. When he took Ford over it was flush with cash and had a lot of top sellers. They had the Taurus, the Escort, The Explorer, the Mustang and the F150. Instead of using the cash those models were bringing in to improve them and keep them cutting edge, Jac blew the wad on sorry European status symbols.
Typical European attitude that thinks anything American is unrefined and without merit. Fortunately for Ford the F150 brand manager kept his compass or Ford would be toast right now.
 

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It's so goofy. How hard can it be to build a car that people want at a price they're willing to pay? They take a Lincoln LS, throw on a new body, and think people will pay 50G because it's a thunderbird. They leave every large car they have stuck in a timewarp while buying other brands with niche markets. Finally, they sink how much into the GT and sell how many.

Build great cars, structure options so they're not out of reach of buyers, and advertise like it's free. Oh, and control the damn dealers and stop ripping people off.

Still, I don’t know what they can do. Except for trucks and the Mustang, they have nothing going for them.
Exactly! Natural selection has selected Ford for extinction.
 

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But it's not $40K, it's $150K (without gouging by dealers). The Z06 is half that price and a better car.

Name a Ford you'd buy if you didn't live in fantasy world.
He's talking about the Mustang Shelby GT500. They are going for high 50's and low 60's. I think you are thinking of the Ford GT.

The Z06 is about equal to the GT for half the price. The Corvette spanks the GT500 for less.
 

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He's talking about the Mustang Shelby GT500. They are going for high 50's and low 60's. I think you are thinking of the Ford GT.

The Z06 is about equal to the GT for half the price. The Corvette spanks the GT500 for less.

Oops, sorry. You are correct. As you can see, I pay no attention to Fords.:D
 

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I'd have to say a new F150 super duty, or a lightning would be reallly nice
I love Lightnings. Ford decided to quit making them. Anytime I start to think a Ford is nice they quit making it. The Super Duty's are F250's. You have F-250's and your F250 Super Duty's, which means that it has the heavy suspension package and is a real truck. Of cousre I work in the construction industry and laugh at people that think of the Honda Ridgeline as a truck and think the Dodge Dakota and Toyota Tundra as real trucks. You need a 2500 or an F250 before you start to hit a real truck and my bosses Chevy 3500 dually with the big block gas motor, that's a serious truck. We've put 2 pallets of shingles in the bed and a bunk of plywood on a trailer before, total weight, 10,500, plus the 6000 for the truck and trailer.

This all comes from a guy that pedals a bike to work once or twice a week too though.
 

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My wife drives a Mercury Milan. Great car for the money and very reliable. The Ford Fusion is a nice mid-size car. The Mustang GT is nice IMO. I'd take it over an STI, EVO, Accord Coupe, or Solaris or any foreign car in it's price range.

The problem with Ford and GM is public perception. Disguise the Fusion as an Accord and Camry and it will sell like crazy. And people will drive it and brag about how reliable it is.

I hope Ford and GM do well. I think GM has a better chance but the more American companies that are successful, the better.
 

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My wife drives a Mercury Milan. Great car for the money and very reliable. The Ford Fusion is a nice mid-size car. The Mustang GT is nice IMO. I'd take it over an STI, EVO, Accord Coupe, or Solaris or any foreign car in it's price range.

The problem with Ford and GM is public perception. Disguise the Fusion as an Accord and Camry and it will sell like crazy. And people will drive it and brag about how reliable it is.

I hope Ford and GM do well. I think GM has a better chance but the more American companies that are successful, the better.
Nah,

Compare the interior design and materials quality of any Ford sedan or coupe with GM or the Japanese and Euro brands. The 500, Milan/Fusion, and Mustang are pathetic. Hard plastic and just plain uninspired styling. Now look at the exterior styling. On second thought I'd rather not. OK, I'll give them credit for the Mustang. I love the exterior styling. But the interior is horrible.

The Clown Vic/Grand Marquis/Clown Car remains in the lineup essentially unchanged for what 25....30 years? Both the Mustang and the Clown Vic use a solid rear axle. The GT was ridiculously overpriced and outperformed by the Z06. When was the last time Lincoln launched a new premium platform? The Clown Car is a Clown Vic with black paint. Hilarious! Has any car ever been more forgettable than the LS? A just decent car that was overpriced and hasn't been updated in 6-7 years, now deceased. If it weren't for a huge livery market looking for cheap black sedans, Lincoln would be out of business. Even Volvo appears to be starved for capital investment since Ford took over. Their lineup is old and weak.

Now look at their engine/transmission choices. The 500 is their premium large sedan and it's available only with a 3.0L V6 that puts out 203HP and 207Ft Lb. C'mon. The Milan/Fusion have a 3.0L Duratec V6 with more HP than the 500. What were they thinking there? The 4.6L V8 in the Clown Vic (arguably their best sedan) puts out less HP and Torque than most competitors 3.5L V6's. The Mustang V8 has only 300HP in a corporate "modular" engine platform. That sounds really exciting for a performance platform. Oops I forgot, most Mustangs are V6 secretary "sporty" cars. Eeeyuck!

Nope, Ford has earned it's way to the bottom, natural selection in a competitive marketplace is working as it should.
 

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Ford really screwed up by ending the Taurus line a year ago, but they are going to try to resurrect it by renaming the Five Hundred as the Taurus. I never could figure out why they would've ended such a popular name as that, but we'll see if this desperate move is enough to swing them back in the right direction.
 

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I'd have to say a new F150 super duty, or a lightning would be reallly nice

I agree, Ford owns the truck dept. for now anyway. But is losin’ the horse power war QUICK!! but the newer design 1 fiddy is just fugly:rolleyes: This is my '06 FX4 that I traded my '05 goat for last year. I painted the stock black grille, added the 2.5” Auto Spring leveling kit, Cherry Bomb Extreme SI/DO exhaust, 33/12.50R17 Dick Cepek Mud Country’s & 17X9 Dick Cepek DC-1 wheels. I sure miss my 'ol goat. But, love my truck!!:cheers I just had to drop in & say hey & show it off:seeya:
How are yall old schoolers doin'? Still givin' them Slowstangs a hard time:D

 
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