He's right.:coolchrisGTO said:retarded, and not worth the time to remove. Whats 25lbs matter in a street car? Even if you race your car, it doesnt matter, unless you shave alot more weight than that, it's not gonna matter at all, c'mon, people are getting silly. Wanna save weight? go on a diet, and dont give fat chics rides.
enjracing said:your wrong guy. 25 lbs is a lot of weight and especially for a street car. and yes, i know what i am talking about. i raced professionally for 10 years all over the world. www.enjracing.com if you remove some of these silly things and add up all the weight (about 100lbs), it is pretty noticable.
enjracing said:i agree with you kwiktsi. i am not stating that these things "need" to be removed, i am just saying that YES, they do make a small difference. maybe some people wouldn't even notice though. i was surprised to hear that you were not happy with the performance of the GTO? for the money and for the weight, it's quite impressive. anything that does 0-60 in the mid 4's for around 30 grand is impressive!
Cars in our group? What cars are you talking about? Because I haven't seen anything stock in the $30-$35,000 range that outperforms the GTO to where it feels like a dog... to me. Even with the few mods I have now I have easily beaten down other "slightly" modded cars. For example a 350Z with a supercharger attempted to run me on the freeway about a month ago. By the time I hit 120 he was no less than 3 car lengths behind. And the sad thing is that he jumped me. What a joke! I've also had cars (Vettes, Camaros) with similar mods as my goat and I know for sure that none were faster than the goat. Maybe if the goat wasn't so refined and comfortable, it would probably FEEL a little bit quicker too. Me personally, I think a sports car should have a little bit stiffer ride and more responsive steering than our goats have. But hey, it is what it is and I really can't complain. Once I get off my lazy butt and order my Maggie, I really won't complain.kwiktsi said:compared to cars in our "group"- it is a dog.
If you're used to modded rides I can understand where you're coming from :cheers .kwiktsi said:6QTS- I was not comparing it to "stock" cars, but just cars in my little group of friends here. Most modded. I was just comparing it to cars in our group and cars I have owned and it is slow in comparison- not saying it is slow for stock, just a bit dissapointing to me for a 400 hp car- but the weight certainly isn't helping there!!! Everyone I speak with who drove one says the same thing "I don't know where they get 400 hp from, it certainly doesn't feel it, but it is a nice car to drive". Again, not saying it is slow by any means, just if you got to see how bad my friends talon destroyed it from a 60mph roll on (let's not even talk about out of the hole- it was ugly ), you would see what I meant. I have my Procharger on it's way if this order doesn't get screwed up too (let's just say I ordered a magnacharger over a month ago and never got it, so I cancelled it and switched to a procharger and still haven't heard back!!!). Hopefully with the procharger on it, it will run a bit more like I would like it to, but from speaking with others- it is still not all that impressive- more than likely due to the weight!! Most of my cars have all been in the low 11's-high 10's at upper 120's in full street trim, it will take a lot to get this car to run like that unfortunately .
ENJ- Oh yeah, it will destroy a Mach- been there . Headers, exhaust and gears and it wasn't funny how hard the GTO pulled once it's fat ass got going!!! It feels slow since it doesn't have that bottom end Grunt- which is odd since it makes so much torque down low! My father in law drove it, came back and tossed me the keys "keep it, I hate it- it has no bottom end". Funny, my wifes Crossfire is "snappier" down low than this car!!