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I got most of this from http://boortz.com/nuze/200702/02022007.html

-The United Nations is anti American and Anti Capitalist. I don't trust them.

- After the fall of Communism in the Soviet Union, most of the anti-Capitalists moved over to enviromentalism as a way of being anti-free enterprise. Their goal is to remove property rights. This also dove tails nicely with the anti Capitalist movement of the UN.

- The sun is warmer. No one takes the suns output into consideration for their global warming model. Without that the results are flawed.

-The polar ice caps on Mars are melting. How did we cause global warming on Mars.

-It was warmer in 1930 than it is right now.

- These same scientists were warning us in the 60's and 70's about global cooling.

- In the last 100 years the earth has warmed up 1 degree. Our instruments are more accurate now so there is a margin of error that might be plus or minus .75 degrees. Most of the reported warming is in places other than the US. In the US our average temperature increase is only .3 degrees.

- The Kyoto Protocal ignores two of the largest polluters, India and China. It also gives Russia the ability to sell CO2 credits. If it was really an end of the earth scenario do you think the UN would say well we have to let some people pollute more than others?

- The scientists that preach global warming are beholden to grant money. No global warming equals a cold winter for those people.

-What has happened to the Medieval Warm period? In 1996 the UN issued a chart showing climatic change over the last 1000 years. This chart showed a period that was warmer than now. In 2001 the chart was changed with no warming period.

- They have found dinosaur bones in Alaska, Canada and the Siberian. Remeber, dinosaurs are cold blooded like Alligators. That means at another time Canada, Alaska and the Siberian were warm enough for cold blooded animals to live there.

-Even as the Artic ice cap melts, the Antartic ice cap is getting thicker, not larger but thicker. This reverses a trend that is 6000 years old.

-There are 160,000 glaciers in the world. Most have never been visited by man or measured by man. Most are growing.

-Rising sea levels have been happening since the end of the last ice age some 6000 plus years ago. It has risen some 300 feet.

-over the past 3000 years there have been 5 EXTENDED periods that have been warmer than now.

-Over the last 20 years global temperatures have decreased.

All of the global warming proponents forget to mention that of the total greenhouse effect 98% is from water vapor. Only 2% comes from gases. Of that 2 percent, the amount man is responsible for is between 3 percent and 50 percent depending on who you talk to. That means using the worst case scenario, man is responsible for 1 percent of the atmospheres total ability to retain heat. More likely it is somewhere in the middle.

Sorry the sun is the culprit. See the line on global warming on Mars for proof.
 

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Check out State of Fear from Michael Chricton if you haven't already. Great novel based on a lot of the facts you have posted above. It really made me begin to question a lot of things that everyone accepts as fact.
 

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:agree those are some great facts, and i believe everyone of em. I've been trying to tell people about some those facts for a long time now, but unfortunately a lot of the population is brainwashed
 

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Check out State of Fear from Michael Chricton if you haven't already.
Beat me to the punch. Great read.

I am really getting sick and tired of hearing about global warming. Every friggin' day, for what? Will I be able to fill my GTO with hydrogen? Flip on a power switch and know the power is coming from reconstituted cow flop? Nope. So what the hell's the point other than media hype or guilt by a bunch of Birkenstock wearing, granola eating knuckleheads that happen to work the news desks at every major media outlet?
 

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I got most of this from http://boortz.com/nuze/200702/02022007.html

-The United Nations is anti American and Anti Capitalist. I don't trust them.

- After the fall of Communism in the Soviet Union, most of the anti-Capitalists moved over to enviromentalism as a way of being anti-free enterprise. Their goal is to remove property rights. This also dove tails nicely with the anti Capitalist movement of the UN.

- The sun is warmer. No one takes the suns output into consideration for their global warming model. Without that the results are flawed.

-The polar ice caps on Mars are melting. How did we cause global warming on Mars.

-It was warmer in 1930 than it is right now.

- These same scientists were warning us in the 60's and 70's about global cooling.

- In the last 100 years the earth has warmed up 1 degree. Our instruments are more accurate now so there is a margin of error that might be plus or minus .75 degrees. Most of the reported warming is in places other than the US. In the US our average temperature increase is only .3 degrees.

- The Kyoto Protocal ignores two of the largest polluters, India and China. It also gives Russia the ability to sell CO2 credits. If it was really an end of the earth scenario do you think the UN would say well we have to let some people pollute more than others?

- The scientists that preach global warming are beholden to grant money. No global warming equals a cold winter for those people.

-What has happened to the Medieval Warm period? In 1996 the UN issued a chart showing climatic change over the last 1000 years. This chart showed a period that was warmer than now. In 2001 the chart was changed with no warming period.

- They have found dinosaur bones in Alaska, Canada and the Siberian. Remeber, dinosaurs are cold blooded like Alligators. That means at another time Canada, Alaska and the Siberian were warm enough for cold blooded animals to live there.

-Even as the Artic ice cap melts, the Antartic ice cap is getting thicker, not larger but thicker. This reverses a trend that is 6000 years old.

-There are 160,000 glaciers in the world. Most have never been visited by man or measured by man. Most are growing.

-Rising sea levels have been happening since the end of the last ice age some 6000 plus years ago. It has risen some 300 feet.

-over the past 3000 years there have been 5 EXTENDED periods that have been warmer than now.

-Over the last 20 years global temperatures have decreased.

All of the global warming proponents forget to mention that of the total greenhouse effect 98% is from water vapor. Only 2% comes from gases. Of that 2 percent, the amount man is responsible for is between 3 percent and 50 percent depending on who you talk to. That means using the worst case scenario, man is responsible for 1 percent of the atmospheres total ability to retain heat. More likely it is somewhere in the middle.

Sorry the sun is the culprit. See the line on global warming on Mars for proof.


This is perhaps the most ignorant post i've ever seen......
 

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-The United Nations is anti American and Anti Capitalist. I don't trust them.
*Has nothing to do with it.

- After the fall of Communism in the Soviet Union, most of the anti-Capitalists moved over to enviromentalism as a way of being anti-free enterprise. Their goal is to remove property rights. This also dove tails nicely with the anti Capitalist movement of the UN.
*Politics has nothing to do with the facts that global warming is real, period.

- The sun is warmer. No one takes the suns output into consideration for their global warming model. Without that the results are flawed.
*Neal Boortz isn't an expert in the science of global warming. He is a person with a personal agenda to get ratings.....

-The polar ice caps on Mars are melting. How did we cause global warming on Mars.
* Not the same thing,

-It was warmer in 1930 than it is right now.
*Not as a yearly average, and your points of fact are very narrow and while may hold merit are not the whole story.

- These same scientists were warning us in the 60's and 70's about global cooling.
*Not the same people,

- In the last 100 years the earth has warmed up 1 degree. Our instruments are more accurate now so there is a margin of error that might be plus or minus .75 degrees. Most of the reported warming is in places other than the US. In the US our average temperature increase is only .3 degrees.
*this is an incorrect assumption, not fact, and not true. Using many other various means of measurement, all have come to the same conclusions, global warming is real.

- The Kyoto Protocal ignores two of the largest polluters, India and China. It also gives Russia the ability to sell CO2 credits. If it was really an end of the earth scenario do you think the UN would say well we have to let some people pollute more than others?
*The UN is a useless body... The Kyoto Protocol is a great start, that the US should have jumped on, but instead was very imature and instead acted like a little kid in saying, "if he's not doing it i'm not doing it either." China should have joined, but they didn't. That said the US is still the largest problem by far.....and we are not part of it...

- The scientists that preach global warming are beholden to grant money. No global warming equals a cold winter for those people.
*BS, when the person that is in charge of global warming for the white house works for exxon and that is ok, what the hell are you thinking?

-What has happened to the Medieval Warm period? In 1996 the UN issued a chart showing climatic change over the last 1000 years. This chart showed a period that was warmer than now. In 2001 the chart was changed with no warming period.
*I have never seen the chart you speak of, BUT I have seen a chart that shown from about 500AD to 1200-1300AD the earth was warmer than normal. But this was theorized that it had to do with an asteroid or volcano (it's been a while so i'm not very clear on it) and that was also why the technology stopped progressing, as well as population.

- They have found dinosaur bones in Alaska, Canada and the Siberian. Remeber, dinosaurs are cold blooded like Alligators. That means at another time Canada, Alaska and the Siberian were warm enough for cold blooded animals to live there.
*Climate shift, Possible polar shift, there are tons of reasons that would allow that, same wasy that fossils of fish are found at the top of the rocky mountains.......(unless your going to tell me that fish were flying...)

-Even as the Artic ice cap melts, the Antartic ice cap is getting thicker, not larger but thicker. This reverses a trend that is 6000 years old.
*Not true,

-There are 160,000 glaciers in the world. Most have never been visited by man or measured by man. Most are growing.
*Prove it with someone other than a political hack.

-Rising sea levels have been happening since the end of the last ice age some 6000 plus years ago. It has risen some 300 feet.
*Sea levels have changed over time, this is not anything that has been disputed, 300 feet i think is pushing it.

-over the past 3000 years there have been 5 EXTENDED periods that have been warmer than now.
*BS, not true

-Over the last 20 years global temperatures have decreased.
*BS, not true

All of the global warming proponents forget to mention that of the total greenhouse effect 98% is from water vapor. Only 2% comes from gases. Of that 2 percent, the amount man is responsible for is between 3 percent and 50 percent depending on who you talk to. That means using the worst case scenario, man is responsible for 1 percent of the atmospheres total ability to retain heat. More likely it is somewhere in the middle.
*BS, not true

Sorry the sun is the culprit. See the line on global warming on Mars for proof.[/QUOTE]
*what ever you want to think to make yourself feel better is fine, bottom line is we need to do something before it's too late....Your thinking is on par with people that used to think the earth was flat, or people that thought if you dumped pollution in to the rivers that it would just go away.....

WAKE UP
 

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Many people don't listen to the church of the painful truth. Washington has to many liberal special interest democrats anyway.
 

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Do I have to be Devil’s Advocate AGAIN????


My take on global warming is that it should be at least a concern…. The climate is changing, coincidence?

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

IPCC is not alone in its conclusions. In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, begins: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise" [p. 1 in (5)]. The report explicitly asks whether the IPCC assessment is a fair summary of professional scientific thinking, and answers yes: "The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue" [p. 3 in (5)].

....The scientific consensus might, of course, be wrong. If the history of science teaches anything, it is humility, and no one can be faulted for failing to act on what is not known. But our grandchildren will surely blame us if they find that we understood the reality of anthropogenic climate change and failed to do anything about it.
The coal, oil, and gas industries have a vested interest to keep the world burning hydro-carbon based fuel. Personally, I think it’s high time we started seriously finding alternatives… Unless you all feel like continued feeding of wealth to Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela is in our best interest…
 

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The sky is falling, the sky is falling......

Is a New Ice Age Under Way?
by Laurence Hecht

“Watch out, Al Gore. The glaciers will get you!” With that appended note, my friend, retired field geologist Jack Sauers, forwarded to me a report that should have been a lead item in every newspaper in the world. It was the news that the best-measured glacier in North America, the Nisqually on Mount Rainier, has been growing since 1931.

The significance of the fact, immediately grasped by any competent climatologist, is that glacial advance is an early warning sign of Northern Hemisphere chilling of the sort that can bring on an Ice Age. The last Little Ice Age continued from about 1400 to 1850. It was followed by a period of slight warming. There are a growing number of signs that we may be descending into another Little Ice Age—all the mountains of “global warming” propaganda aside.

Our current understanding of the long-term climate cycles shows that for the past 800,000 years, periods of approximately 100,000 years’ duration, called Ice Ages, have been interrupted by periods of approximately 10,000 years, known as Interglacials. (We are now about 10,500 years into the present Interglacial.)

What Causes Ice Ages
These cycles are not mere statistical correlations, as some Wall Street prognosticator working at the modern PC version of a ouija board might spin out. They are determined, with great scientific precision, to correlate with long-term, cyclical changes in the Earth’s orbital relationship to the Sun. Three fundamental orbital relationships are involved, each of which contributes to the amount of sunlight received in high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere. When these cycles combine to reduce the incoming solar radiation (insolation) during summer months, over a number of years, the ice sheets which permanently cover Greenland, parts of Alaska, northern Canada, Scandinavia, and elsewhere, begin to advance.

At a certain point, the growth process becomes self-feeding, partly because the high reflectivity of ice and snow reduces the local temperature, partly for reasons that are not fully understood. The glaciers thicken and expand until they become continental ice sheets, one to two miles thick, creeping ever southward. Geological evidence shows that in the last Ice Age, the southern boundary of the continental ice sheet, known as a terminal moraine, stretched down the center of Long Island, through New York City, across New Jersey and Pennsylvania to Southern Illinois and Missouri, then up the Plains States through Montana and Washington State. All of this real estate was buried under one to two miles of ice.

Geologically and climatologically speaking, we are due for another such glacial advance. It might not happen in our lifetimes, but radical shifts in the climate of northern regions can take place suddenly, and in some places may already be taking place.

How to Look at ‘Global Warming’
A very important thing to understand in interpreting all the swill that issues daily from the Global Warming mill (really the anti-industry, anti-population lobby, headed and pumped with money by the Royal Consort Prince Philip, and former Nazi Party member Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands), is that the onset of an Ice Age is not marked by global cooling. In fact, the very same astronomical conditions which cause a cooling at high latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere, produce the opposite effect in the Southern Hemisphere, where there is much more ocean to absorb and retain the incoming solar radiation. Thus the global average temperature does not tell us anything of importance.

The geological requirements for an Ice Age are the presence of a large landmass around the Polar Circle and extending southward. A look at the globe, or world map, shows that those conditions exist in the Northern Hemisphere, but not in the Southern. Therefore, the important thing to look at is the climate conditions in northern and far northern regions. Some of the indicators:


• Since 1980, there has been an advance of more than 55% of the 625 mountain glaciers under observation by the World Glacier Monitoring group in Zurich. (From 1926 to 1960, some 70-95% of these glaciers were in retreat.)

• A comparison of the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s 1965 and 1990 Plant Hardiness Zone Maps, shows a southward change of one zone, or 10°F, between 1965 and 1990.

• Careful measurements of the oxygen isotope ratios in German oaks, which are rigorously calibrated to temperature data, show a 1°C temperature decline from 1350 to 1800 (the lowpoint of the Little Ice Age). Temperature thereafter increased by 1°C from 1800 to 1930, and has been declining since then.

• From weather stations in the Alps, and in the Nordic countries, we find the temperature decline since 1930 is also 1°C.

• Satellite measurements have shown growth in the height and breadth of the huge Greenland ice sheet, the largest in the Northern Hemisphere

On Nisqually
That brings us to the Nisqually glacier, up on the 14,410-foot Mount Rainier, near Tacoma, Wash. Just 85 feet shy of Mount Whitney, the highest point in the lower 48 states, Mount Rainier has 26 glaciers, and is the largest single peak system in the United States.

In 1931, fearful that the receding glacier would provide insufficient runoff for their newly completed hydroelectric facility, Tacoma City Light began careful measurements of the glacier. Since the mid-1800s, the glacier had receded about 1 kilometer. Annual to semi-annual measurements, continued by the U.S. Geological Survey and private contractors for the National Park Service, provide the longest continuous series of glacier measurements in North America.

The details are described in a report by government specialists, which appeared in the September 2000 issue of Washington Geology:

“The greatest thickening during the period of measurement occurred between 1931 and 1945, when the glacier thickened by about 50% near 2,800 meters of altitude. This and subsequent thickenings during the mid-1970s to mid-1980s produced waves that advanced its terminus. Glacier thinning occured during intervening periods. Between 1994 and 1997, the glacier thickened by 17 meters at 2,800-m altitude, indicating probable glacier advance during the first decade of the 21st century.”

That’s the story from Mount Rainier. Retired geologist Sauers, who has been observing conditions in the Cascade Mountains of western Washington for a lifetime, says “I’m preparing for an Ice Age.” Perhaps we all should.
 

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Interesting debate; I think the global community has recognized that global warming is real. Everyone in my area of VA was talking about global warming in December & early january; we had record warmth in high 60's low 70's. That was just a fluke. We're looking at highs now in the 20's and lows in single digits.

One of the U.S. main source of pollution is cars. Everyone has one, and we love to drive.

As more and more mfg. moves to China, they will soon be the main culprit, and how are we going to impose regulations on them? We won't be able to, because we can't make them do anything. They are also the reason we're paying more than $2 for gas; wait until a billion Chinese are all driving. If we're all still trying to slice up the pie of oil that's available, where do you think that price is going?

Talk to someone that's visited China in the past couple of years. They have little pollution controls, just one more reason you can buy a whole bedroom suit from them for $500. With the number of U.S. environmental recommendations, safety regulations, etc. all of which add cost to products, why do you think more and more jobs are going overseas?

I digress from the original subject; end of rant.
 

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Will global warming reduce my winter heating bills? Will billions of New Yorkers stop driving to Florida in the fall and back in the spring?

If so, what's the problem? Less fossil fuel burned for heat and snowbirds, less warming, it all comes back into balance.

For people like Fergy, stop it! Just stop it! First you attack the righteous ACLU on another thread and now you try and harpoon our precious and fragile academics.

It's really hard for these guys to justify their existence. And, without some eminent global catastrophe, it's almost impossible to get the grant money that will keep them warm and cozy in the womb of academia and off the cold hard streets where they would be forced to compete for a living by doing something useful. Now, think about it! Do you really want to be responsible for something like that.

Scientific theories are like diapers. They are constantly changed because they are almost all full of fecal matter!!!

Unfortunately, the fecal matter can get a lot of air time in a society where the media is desperately competing for the next "shocking news at ten".
 

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Remember the hole in the ozone layer? How sheep were going blind from all the radiation in Chile and Argentina -- we were all doomed? Whatever happened to that?
 

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Remember the hole in the ozone layer? How sheep were going blind from all the radiation in Chile and Argentina -- we were all doomed? Whatever happened to that?
The Ozone is beginning to replenish itself now that CFC (Freon) use has been restricted... CFCs are the main culprit in the reduction of Ozone...
 
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