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Thought you got screwed on gas last year? Just wait for this one. We just went over $61 a bbl -- for completely idiotic reasons like "a refinery caught fire in Texas" and "the President of Iran found fleas in his beard."

We're already over $3 for premium here in Northern California -- and the local newspaper, the horrific San Jose Mercury News, says to watch for prices to go another .20 to .40 a gallon higher as the prices are already up that much at the wholesale level.

Bottom line? Commodities speculators have gotten momentum again -- and they're going to bid crude through the roof just like they did last year -- when the media was publishing crap like "we're running out of oil" while so much was pumped out of the ground tankers full of the stuff were sitting around because there wasn't any place to store it.
 

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The US AF just successfully tested synthetic fuel. It can be made from either natural gas (thank god Al Gore's still around) or coal. It makes good kerosene, Jet fuel and great diesel. We have enough low sulphur coal in Utah alone to supply the US with heating oil, Jet fuel and diesel for 300 years at our current usage and it costs about the equivilent of $45 bbl oil. It's estimated that with technology and efficiencies from high volume that it could still be viable with $35 bbl oil in a couple years.

The main problem is it will take billions in investment and 4-5 years to get a plant with enough production capacity up and running. You know the oil industry isn't going to pony up the money to make it's product obsolete. Lets hope King Coal comes through and gets the ball rolling. The demand it would take off oil would definately drive the price lower and that might just be enough to put some sense in this commodity and it's price.
 

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Few weeks ago the price per barrel went down, the price at the pump didn't move, a few days later the price per barrel went up, the price at the pump went up 5 cents.

It's up 10 cents in the last week here. Britain is pulling troops out of Iraq price per barrel goes up... We are sending more troops to Iraq the price per barrel is going up. Anna Nicole Smith dies the price goes up.

Not to worry though........ we are going Methanol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :party:
Problem solved!!! After the gas problem is SOLVED wooohooooooooo >>>

One dozen ears of corn........ $20.00

Go to a Friday night football game..... a cup of chicken CORN soup... $ 8.00
OH, going to the movies? Large Pop CORN .......... $15.00
Jolly Time PopCORN at the store....... $10.00 a bag.

Seriously....... Iran is threatening in the Gulf..... they are firing "test" rockets into international shipping waters.... 40% of the worlds oil flow goes through there....... LOOK OUT.
 

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Unfortunately all the conservation we do in this country will be negated by increased demand by China- - -and wait until all of those people start getting cars as well- - we need alternative fuels and sources of fuel asap.
 

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^ yep. Except we really haven't done squat since the first OPEC embargo in 1972 or 1973. Meanwhile, Brazil stepped up their domestic drilling activities and developed sugar cane based biofuels -- so they're now completely energy independent.

Seems to me that between the lobbyists, corporate donations and political favors -- the United States simply can't make a decision for the good of its citizens anymore and execute. Brazil can. We can't. And we think we can look down our noses at Brazil and refer to it as a "third world" country.
 

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I'm going to fill up my 500 gallon tank this week. Maybe I can hedge the market myself.. course if I do that, gas will go down... you can thank me later :)
 

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^ yep. Except we really haven't done squat since the first OPEC embargo in 1972 or 1973. Meanwhile, Brazil stepped up their domestic drilling activities and developed sugar cane based biofuels -- so they're now completely energy independent.

Seems to me that between the lobbyists, corporate donations and political favors -- the United States simply can't make a decision for the good of its citizens anymore and execute. Brazil can. We can't. And we think we can look down our noses at Brazil and refer to it as a "third world" country.
fuel in brazil is far more expensive as it is here. about 4 dollars a gallon or so. even for the alcohol and propane. i was just there the end of january but they have a better energy program i feel than the states
 

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fuel in brazil is far more expensive as it is here. about 4 dollars a gallon or so. even for the alcohol and propane. i was just there the end of january but they have a better energy program i feel than the states
Yep, but the thing is we'll be at the same price point very soon -- yet most of those dollars are going overseas. They're in control of their own destiny. We're not.
 

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I read, and I hear, and I see all the gum flapping on how we have to become independent of Oil, or seriously reduce our need for it. I just don't see it happening. Just too much money to be made for the fat cats. This is the same rhetoric that went on in the 70's and it all blew over. History repeats itself.

20 years from now the gum flapping will still be going on. I just don't see much happening in the way of distancing ourselves from Crude.
 

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Thought you got screwed on gas last year? Just wait for this one. We just went over $61 a bbl -- for completely idiotic reasons like "a refinery caught fire in Texas" and "the President of Iran found fleas in his beard."

We're already over $3 for premium here in Northern California -- and the local newspaper, the horrific San Jose Mercury News, says to watch for prices to go another .20 to .40 a gallon higher as the prices are already up that much at the wholesale level.

Bottom line? Commodities speculators have gotten momentum again -- and they're going to bid crude through the roof just like they did last year -- when the media was publishing crap like "we're running out of oil" while so much was pumped out of the ground tankers full of the stuff were sitting around because there wasn't any place to store it.

Wasn't the price last year $70-75 a bbl? Gas here is $2.46 for super.
 

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^ yep. Except we really haven't done squat since the first OPEC embargo in 1972 or 1973. Meanwhile, Brazil stepped up their domestic drilling activities and developed sugar cane based biofuels -- so they're now completely energy independent.

Seems to me that between the lobbyists, corporate donations and political favors -- the United States simply can't make a decision for the good of its citizens anymore and execute. Brazil can. We can't. And we think we can look down our noses at Brazil and refer to it as a "third world" country.
:agree We can't make decisions anymore, All we ever do is point fingers and curse someone else out. While all the big corporations sit and laugh because they know we won't change anything and their getting richer because we drove cars to stand and yell at each other....
 
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