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I am beginning to believe it is. I purchased my car March 05, brand new. Since that momentous day, I have tried to enjoy my awesome car and put the bad things aside. I fear the bad is starting to outweigh the good. My car left me stranded, again for the 3rd time. Key won’t turn in the ignition. It has been an endless onslaught of problems that I would never ever had expected from a $33,000 car. I sold my 2001 KIA Spectra with 60K miles on it for this, and that car went to the repair shop 1 times in its whole abused life with me. The A/C stopped working at about 1000 miles and it was repair in 30 mins. $12,000 after tax for the thing. I love the car for what it is supposed to be (I go to meetings, race days, here on the boards sometimes) but I am seriously thinking of dumping it now. The service list is like 5 pages long now. It has been in service since the day I bought it for
Driver seat rails (adjustment motor stuff) 3 TIMES!
Passenger seat rails 2 TIMES!
HVAC system stopped working once (vacuum problem)
Rear differential replacement
Drive axle fell out once (left me stranded on road)
Ignition Key wouldn’t turn in ignition 3 TIMES!! (2 FULL ignition replacements = 2 times stranded; towed in again today for the 3rd GD time; same driver, laughed at me for my POS)
Drivers side rear window seal went bad (entire window replaced as its one piece, now with no tint)
5 front end alignments (at MY expense, the thing will not hold alignment and chews up my tires)
Front strut bushings collapsed; replaced
Drivers side door panel leather trim fell off; replaced door panel
Now passenger side leather coming off; in for replacement
Countless sets of broken carpet retainers
Rear transmission tail shaft seal leaking; replace seal
Passenger side sun visor replaced, fabric unraveled around mirror
Front end makes metal clunking sound when you hit bumps in the road (suspect some bushing is damaged); in for repair
Horn would sound autonomously (comedic post here regarding this if you care to read); replaced relays; continued again; replaced steering wheel/air bag assembly; continued still and replaced some coil in the steering column at last(3 trips to finally fix)
Rear “GTO” valance (base of bumper) fell off and needed to be replaced
Key FOB died; needed to be replaced

I am sure I am missing something else but with all the trips it has been a blur. The dealer has been great, they all know me by name. They have provided rental cars at every turn, the Enterprise guys also know me by name. But it only serves to take the sting off. I am left with a dim view of Pontiac and GM though and I doubt I would buy another. Truly unfortunate. If only KIA made something with a V8 and a stick. :(
 

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Man o days...

Have you thought about Buy Back or Lemon Law options? I would explore this if you can. Your patience outlasted mine if I were encountering this... I have no complaints with mine.
 

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I agree; you should check into the Lemon Law. I've had my '05 since March of that year too. Almost 15K miles and no (knock on wood) problems. It's never been in the shop. It sounds as if you got one those late Friday afternoon builds and it was the thirteenth day of the month.
 

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Damn!
I would also check about your state lemon laws.
I've had my 05 M6 since 6/05 and have 55K on it, now. Never been back to the
dealer, and only issue I have now, is the stitching on the top of the rear
seats have pulled apart for about an inch on each.
I did have an alignment at about 30K. and all is well.
Daily driver, and is driven HARD at times.

Larry
 

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As I read this saga again, I realized, your 5 times in for front end alignment at your expense. You NEVER should have had to pay for the alignments. You obviously have a strut problem and probably other things going on that's kicking you out of spec. Your next expense will be tires. Don't let them hood wink you into paying for them, your strut rub is chewing them up. If the tires are bad, get them off the car before you blow one. Your car will be unsafe with chewed up tires. If that car keeps coming out of alignment like that there is something major going on there. 5 times in 2 years is not normal. I am sure your dealer could tell if you were rock climbing in the thing, or off roading. For them to charge you for alignments, it's adding insult to injury. Normal wear and tear front end alignments are different than reoccurring problems.

The more I read your post the madder I get at the problems your having.
 

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The deler stated that several things are not covered under warranty. Bulbs, belts, tires, brake pads, and alignments are a few mentioned. 5 does seem excessive to me as well. 1 was at another shop, the third I believe, because I thought the dealer just didnt know what they were doing. I cant actually believe it, but my car isnt suffering from this strut rub problem. The inner tire wall on my front tires never wore, it always wore the inner tread on the tire as if it had some serious excessive negative camber. Initially the dealer pointed to excessive cornering as the problem. "My Fault". I dismissed that theory with the service manager in about 10 seconds by asking the simple question "Where is the outer edge wear on the opposite tire?" You cant corner only on the inside edge of both front tires. Anyway, seems the collapsed bushings on the strut bearings was causing all of it, from the tire wear to the alignment issues. I am glad that issue is now resolved but it makes little difference to me, I still had to suffer all of it. I must have gotten a Friday car as stated, I should call it "Fosters". I will look up the Florida lemon law text but after 2 years and 36K miles I would be suprised if I have any recourse there. Its just so insane.
 

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NORMAL alignments are not covered, correct. However, you mentioned negative camber, that is the leading cause of strut rub. You also mentioned chewed up tires. They just don't chew themselves. Your tires I would bet are rubbing your struts do to negative camber. Take a look at your strut. If there is no rub marks on it then you can dismiss this problem, but judging by your diagnosis, I'd bet you are having some strut rub. There is something going on with your front end which is causing constant alignments, this is NOT normal. The dealer is double talking you. You already caught him blaming you for excessive cornering. You confronted him on that and he then dismissed that theory.

It's common knowledge there is strut issues with these cars. Your collapsed bushings was under warranty? If so, why would the alignment NOT be? It was causing wear problems. I had my car aligned UNDER warranty at 17K miles because the dealer noticed, at an oil change the negative camber was out and the tires were barely touching the struts. Now, if alignments are NOT covered under warranty why am I and others getting alignments done under warranty?

IMO.....If your service guy was trying to blame YOU for excessive cornering then recanted after you disproved that theory, what else is this service guy blaming on you or normal wear and tear that is NOT normal?? I maintain all of your alignments that were done as a result of continuing problems is a warranty issue. It's your choice if you choose to let it go, but you paid for a warranted problem, 5 times!!!!
 

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I would be PISSED if I had those problems with my car. I have owned an 04 and now an 06 and they both are great cars. I don't know if it was a Friday build thing or not but, I believe that your situation is far and few between (the GTO is really a great car--unfortunately yours isn't). You'll hear some people with some issues but, not too many with your list. I would talk to another dealer about the alignment because some dealers will cover that. Good luck with your situation.
 

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I would talk to another dealer about the alignment because some dealers will cover that.
Precisely..... This is not a ...I feel like charging for warranty, or I think I won't charge it to warranty thing. If this was not a warranty problem the dealers giving away "free" alignments would be back charged by GM and they'd have to pay up. They'd then stop giving them away and charging it to warranty.

Your service guy is confusing normal wear and tear, with mechanical failures. I.E. Collapsed bushings.
 

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Maybe your post should have read, "Is my GTO a piece of crap" because I haven't had any major problems out of mine at 31,000+ miles. Yeah I had minor strut rub on the driver's side but since I put on my 19s with a 40mm offset it doesn't rub at all and the tires are wearing pretty even without a wheel alignment since I've owned the car. Plus I plan on replacing the stock suspension parts with a Pedders package. But other than that the car has been problem free.
 

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Maybe your post should have read, "Is my GTO a piece of crap" because I haven't had any major problems out of mine at 31,000+ miles. Yeah I had minor strut rub on the driver's side but since I put on my 19s with a 40mm offset it doesn't rub at all and the tires are wearing pretty even without a wheel alignment since I've owned the car. Plus I plan on replacing the stock suspension parts with a Pedders package. But other than that the car has been problem free.
Same here. And I have 35k on my04. Only problem I can remember is the passenger door lock actuator. These cars do seem to be hit or miss when it comes to failures. If your serious about the lemon law, it couldn't hurt to try. Sorry about your luck.
 

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that sucks about your GTO. i've had mine for 2 days, and so far so good! your GTO is starting to sound like my old firebird, though. man that thing was a chore! passenger side headlamp motor, passenger side air damn molding fell off, CD player stopped working (which lead to me punching the bejeezus out of it on one particular ride home from work, knocking all the buttons off the equilizier), even the button on the automatic shift knob came loose, and if you weren't careful when releasing it the spring would launch it into the floorboards!

that is interesting that yours is an '05. from what i've heard (friend who used to have an '04, his dad works at a pontiac dealership), the '06s were the worst year to get with a lot of buyers returning them to get the 2005 model, which is supposed to be the best model out of the three.
 

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Well thanks for the feedback guys. I love the GTO as much as you guys do, trust me. Obviously there are issues specific to this vehicle, if thats the case then I would like to try again with another one. I just wouldnt want to go down this road twice. Its truly a love hate relationship, and I already divorced the wife, I dont want to divorce the car too. She didnt like the GTO :)
 

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Got 33,400 now on the clock and the only issues I have had was a engine heating problem caused by a sticking thermostat (dealer said it was bug guts on the radiator). Hard headed dealer refused to change the thermostat so I went ahead and replaced it at my expense which, by the way, fixed the heatng problem. Also both front tires were noted at 8,000 miles to be wearing out on the inside edges due to the factory alignment having too much negative camber and last of all the mysterious ghost who toots the horn in warm weather.

Other than that no problems whatsoever. Car still runs like an ape with stripes on his ass. -Jim
 

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Well I don't drive mine as much as some people with 145xx miles on my car I only has little things wrong with my car. Today my ignition cylinder would not turn I put a temp fix on it, my driverside door actuator was intermittent fixed under warranty, and shifter rattle fix under warranty as well. Good luck with your car.
 

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Mine had lots of problems, was on 04 but had several of the same things you are having. Couldnt get a dealer to touch it after a long fight gave up and got rid of it. Still cuss it
 

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hey guys,i was reading your post on all the problems.I bought an 04 brand new off the show room floor,after 2 month it started.It was in the shop 5 times for front end problems and that was in the first year. I had the car for 18 months,after month 20 GM bought it back.I did buy another 04 just a few months ago,just minor thing have gone wrong with this one :lol:
 
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