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Hey ya'll, I'm just wondering how many on here are looking for a job. I have been looking for a new "situation" here in Mo. for over 3 years.

I'm currently employed but my company is moving a sizeable portion of there bussiness to another state so I need to find something within a couple of years at the most. I've had some interviews but it seems like you really have to know someone "inside" to get a job anywhere. I have over 20 years experience and I make great pay but it seems everywhere now is paying $5 to 15 an hour less than I make now. It's not that I would'nt take a little less per hour but I think my current pay and benefits package is superior to what most companies are willing to pay.

I cannot even begin to remember how many resumes I've submitted to countless companies and I would say the resume to interview ratio is 100 to 1 at best. Even when I've felt the interview went well very rarely have I heard anything back, or with a ridiculously low offer.

This is the second time a my job has been lost to "Southern" states and both companies I've worked for were Union and went to right to work states. I believe both states also put Katrina money in there "general funds" and used that fund toward relocation money to draw manufacturing for their states.

Just wanted to start a lil discussion on job hunting, not a rant but maybe someone has some advice or wants to share any stories.

Thanks!
 

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What do you do if you don't mind me asking. I've often thought about working for myself but not sure how to go about it or what I would do. I love what I do now so it's hard to imagine what I would do on the "outside" plus I'm the main breadwinner and I don't want to put my family at risk.
 

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I sold my restaurant after 25 years and "retired" 8 years ago because I got too frustrated trying to find good kitchen help. Now I work t home and hope to never enter either side of the work force again.
 

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I'm a Machinist at Winchester Ammunition and I was only there for 60 days before they announced they were "considering" moving. I had been unemployed for 9 months before I got the job and I honestly felt ill when I heard the announcement. They told the Union if they could come up with 25 million in concessions they would stay for 7 years. Winchester has been loading ammunition in East Alton Ill. since 1891.

I really don't blame the company for moving as much as I blame the Union for it's inaction and our BA for fermenting a terrible attitude throughout the membership. The Union and the Company came to an agreement and the membership voted it down based on what our BA had told us. I personally voted for the agreement but attitudes were so bad the ratification failed. Having been unemployed for so long I had to lol at all the people making great pay and benefits say they would just go get another job. I'm not gonna say it is a dream job but it is a place where most people retire from and a lot of families work there.

So I'm not complaining here just wondering what I'm maybe doing wrong in my job search. As I said i have a lot of experience and time, education wrapped up in my profession and would be leery to change careers at this point but it's not out of the question I suppose.
 

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Welcome to the USSA. (United Socialist States of America). Unless you're locked into something good now, "They" don't really want you to work and prosper. (Oh, you CAN to some limited degree, if you're o.k. with keeping 30% of what you gross). "They" would rather have you on UE, or some other such rubbish. A weak and listless society=malleable nuckkaheads to serve thine masters. There. I said it. After the Lemans is done, I shall wander aimlessly into the abyss.
 

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ALKY that entire industry along with defense right now is under assault by the Progressives as this nation is forcibly transformed. My wife works for a defense contractor and the entire defense business is on pins and needles many are being let go. IMO a lateral move to another company in the same industry will backfire on you.

With so much competition with millions looking for work takes knowing someone on the inside to get an interview. Companies slashing income preparing for Socialized Healthcare along with SS just going up 100% a week many's income is falling fast. Companies were waiting for after the elections to make decisions on growth and unfortunately the majority are satisfied with this new norm. Insider information with connections on jobs or surrendering to a temp agency to find work in a particular field are the 2 most viable means of landing a job. Getting a decent job anymore is like winning the lottery. Hope you find what you are seeking.
 

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The manufacturing industry is leaving the US because of past legislation, why pay US citizens to manufacture when 3rd world countries can do it for 80% less?

September 28, 2001: United States-Jordan Free Trade Area Implementation Act
September 3, 2003: United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
September 3, 2003: United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
July 17, 2004: United States-Morocco Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
August 3, 2004: United States-Australia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
January 11, 2006: United States-Bahrain Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act

Here is a chart of manufacturing in the US for the last 50 years, where did 4,000,000 jobs go?



gjones, Oligarchy, Plutocracy and Aristocracy are better describitions of what happened to our Liberty and Democracy, not Socialism,


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05, yes they are doing it for 80% less, but also the quality of the product is 80% lacking... People don't care. They have been duped and brainwashed for so long, (since grade school, no less- that is what is taught in schools now a days), that they don't actually have an opinion... Don't kid yourselves, socialism is a way of life now. They've infiltrated society on every level, slowly- but bet your bottom dollar, most certainly it is socialism (communism), only now, you may not speak or utter those words, for it is "politically incorrect"...(SHHH...)
 

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O.K... Let's go back to the 90's when all this "Free Trading" started. Clinton, I believe, initiated all that. Just another "small step". Little by little. La te da te da.
 

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ALKY that entire industry along with defense right now is under assault by the Progressives as this nation is forcibly transformed. My wife works for a defense contractor and the entire defense business is on pins and needles many are being let go. IMO a lateral move to another company in the same industry will backfire on you.

I don't see going to work for another ammunition manufacturer as it would require a move to another area/state. I've been trying forever it seems to get on at Boeing in St. Louis (My dad worked there for 40+ years, but i dunno it thats working for me or against me. Maternal Grandfather worked there too back when it was Douglas aircraft) and I've actually had acquaintances and coworkers get jobs there that had less experience and skills than I do. I hear you on the defense industry and pretty much all manufacturing going over seas. I don't consider myself beholden to either party, to me politicians are all for themselves for the most part, not for the citizens that put them in office. Last election told the tale to me as we put all the same d bags back in.

With so much competition with millions looking for work takes knowing someone on the inside to get an interview. Companies slashing income preparing for Socialized Healthcare along with SS just going up 100% a week many's income is falling fast. Companies were waiting for after the elections to make decisions on growth and unfortunately the majority are satisfied with this new norm. Insider information with connections on jobs or surrendering to a temp agency to find work in a particular field are the 2 most viable means of landing a job. Getting a decent job anymore is like winning the lottery. Hope you find what you are seeking.
Thanks, I know there are a lot out there that are worse than we are. I feel for all those who lost their homes due to policies set forth by our leaders and the banks. So glad they used our tax dollars to bail out the banks , instead of the people who really lost out. That money was used to buy up all the smaller banks and for bonus's.

Oh, and right now we can't make ammunition fast enough, and let me tell you, we can pump out some ammo! Amazing to see how fast the assembly machines can spit that stuff out. Some are slow, they still run loaders from the 1800's modernized with air logic systems and laser detects. Winchester donated one of our dial loaders to the Buffalo Bill museum and it's the same type of machine pumping out tens of thousands of rounds a day we have here. A lot to making the ammo, many steps till that final product.

05, yes they are doing it for 80% less, but also the quality of the product is 80% lacking... People don't care. They have been duped and brainwashed for so long, (since grade school, no less- that is what is taught in schools now a days), that they don't actually have an opinion... Don't kid yourselves, socialism is a way of life now. They've infiltrated society on every level, slowly- but bet your bottom dollar, most certainly it is socialism (communism), only now, you may not speak or utter those words, for it is "politically incorrect"...(SHHH...)
Winchester has (had) a great machine shop. The plant is (was) totally self sufficient with it's own power plant, waste treatment plant, fire dept, hospital, public and proprietary shooting ranges, golf course.....Some of the older buildings still have the brackets that anti aircraft guns used mounted on the roof. The machine shop there was always legendary in this area for the quality and quantity of work. We made all our own tooling and built machines from scratch for production. Sad to see it winding down.

O.K... Let's go back to the 90's when all this "Free Trading" started. Clinton, I believe, initiated all that. Just another "small step". Little by little. La te da te da.
:agree Got my first "real" job in 1992 and apprenticed for 4 years through the IAM. Those were good years and I remember the start of the "not so free" trade years and the immediate effects it had on jobs.
 

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Have owned my own construction business (work from home) for 15 years. Will never work for someone else again. Flip side is most people including employees think that when you own your own business your loaded, golf 3-4 times a week, and have every contract handed to you on a silver platter. Opposite is true, plan on big capitol investment up front, long hours, and riding the up and down waves of a volatile economy. Ever think about machining engines, with your love of the hobby it might be a good fit. Also you could market those trick valve stems and door locks for some extra scratch, i would donate all my spent .357 and 40 cals...:shutme
 

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The FEDs were buying millions of rounds namely hallow points. It was questioned why the Social Security department needed 250 thousand or so rounds. In one article I read they defended this as their reasoning was 1. Their field agents needed them and 2. For on the range target practicing.

I have never seen a Social Security field agent carrying a gun in fact I never seen a SS field agent. I never seen anyone in the SS Administration sitting at a desk with a weapon on them. Most are elderly women behind a desk. I spent quite a bit of time in the SS offices while I was fighting my case I never seen a weapon. Really? SS Field Agents?????? On the range, why hallow points??? Why not a lesser expensive blunt nose? I only have hallow points in my clip and my speed loader for home or carrying. Then again what do the FEDS care about saving money.

Conspiracy theory people think it was for beefing up for civil unrest, divvying out ammo around various FED agencies..... No matter the real reason why, the FED always justify their actions with outlandish reasons.
SS field agents carrying .357's... lmao. OK.

The impending gun regulations has sales of ammo and guns at all time highs. I can't for the life of me understand why. :rolleyes:
As soon as a hefty ammo tax is implemented sales will curtail in a hurry. I expect to see a rather large "penalty tax" for those buying ammo.
 

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Yep. U.S. Voting machines designed by communistic Russia. U.S. Presidential election tallies counted in Spain by George Sorros' one world government commie operations. (Someone please explain that one to me)? Elections? Don't kid yourselves. It is to laugh. And we're conspiracy theorists? The ones that call us that know exactly what they're doing, and how to further stupify the "stupid" citizens.
 

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Yep. U.S. Voting machines designed by communistic Russia. U.S. Presidential election tallies counted in Spain by George Sorros' one world government commie operations. (Someone please explain that one to me)? Elections? Don't kid yourselves. It is to laugh. And we're conspiracy theorists? The ones that call us that know exactly what they're doing, and how to further stupify the "stupid" citizens.
You forgot to mention the UN sent here to make sure those opposed didn't cheat. ROFLMAO
 

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! We've been quieted to a hush, now. Don't want to upset the Liberals with all this talk of the truth. (You're supposed to turn a blind eye to it). Soon, the elections will be turned over to the illegal immigrants, (if they haven't been already) and others who do not pay taxes. You all got just what you wanted. Far be it for an individual to have actual independent will. Perish the thought.
 

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I know it's difficult to move, but why not consider moving with your current employer if that is an option. Alternatively, consider moving to Connecticut, where Ruger is located. I used to live in Connecticut and believe that it is not a "right-to-work" state. Good luck.
 

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Yeah, moving with the company is not an option. They "offered" most of the middle management the option to move and several have taken it but they really don't want any of the union people. Funny how they expect different results with the same management and the real talent lies with the folks that do the work. It takes a lot of skill to make these old presses run and from everything we've heard and seen (returned product) they are having a tough time meeting quality and production goals in the new plant.

All of my wife's family and mine are local to us + we have an eleven year old daughter so moving to a different state seems at this point to be out of the question. Plus we really do like where we live now. I commute 108 miles a day so something closer to home has been high on my priority list. We live only about 5 miles from the Wentzville GM plant and they are expanding ( GM is moving the Colorado truck line from Tn. to Mo.) but I hear you need an inside referral to even be considered for a job there. That would be dreamy, I could even drive my GTO to work in the summer. I need to submit some more resumes there this week, maybe the squeaky wheel will get some grease.
 

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Resumes are one thing. Networking is another. It's good of you to post here and other networks as well.
Machining is a desireable skill that you will always have. Manufacturing can often move around and therealways seems to be trends. And these trends greatly affect smaller mid west towns that depend on the local industry. Coming from a SoCal perspective, it is easy to take some things for granted.
Think outside ammo. Is there much manufacturing around there? Consider that much of your company mates will be looking for jobs too.
Moving might not be a bad idea.
I work in mfg/design/engineering. I'll try to rack my brain of anyone I know in MO.
 
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