[baron_iv]

I was looking for performance parts for my new GTO today and I came to the Lingenfelter page. They offer these various packages that you can get on your car to make the handling better, or increase horsepower/torque. Has anyone tried any of these?
MotorTrend did a review of some of them on a 2004, here's the link if you haven't read it already:
http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0408_tuner/
I'd love to get one of the handling packages for now and then go for one of the power packages in a few months (probably not the $17000 one, so don't get your hopes up of a review from ME haha). The handling package is $1800 according to MT, that's a pretty good price considering all the stuff they add, plus the 2-year 24k mile warranty. Their products are great to begin with and they stand behind them. I have a friend who has almost everything they offer for his vette, he's spent far more at lingenfelter than he did on the car to begin with...on the order of 2-3x more!
If anybody has tried any of these, I'd really like to know what you think of them (power, handling or braking packages). Has anyone tried the Harrop Engineering 6-speed short-throw shifter that lingenfelter sells? Is it as good as the GMM? I can't seem to find the GMM anywhere, I guess you guys are buying every one of 'em you can get your hands on. After 4 days, I'm ready for a better shift, I don't really like the feeling of shifting through silly puddy.
I also have a kind of off-the-wall question...
There are some vehicles out there where you are NOT supposed to skip gears when you're using the manual transmission. Is it ok to do that (I realize CAGS forces you to, but I mean in other situations)? I usually go directly from 4th to 6th when I pass someone and skip 5th altogether unless I feel I need it...which is very rare so far.
Also, do you guys go all the way down into 3rd if you need to pass someone who's going between 45-50 (and you need to get around 'em QUICKLY) or do you stick with 4th and wait for the revs to get up there to produce the power? If they're doing 55, I find that 4th is ok, however, much slower than that and if there's oncoming traffic (at a safe distance of course) I don't quite get the acceleration I want. I think I may just be overdue for that roots/twin-screw supercharger. After all, I've had the car for FOUR days already...I'm slacking!
Thanks in advance for your replies.
-Scott

 

[NoBMWforME]

My reply really has nothing to do with your actual question, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that changing the manual transmission fluid to synthetic (Royal Purple) almost improved the shifter response the same order of magnitude as the change in the shifter itself. No matter what direction you decide to go with a shifter, to me, this is a simple must do mod. Good Luck.

 

[baron_iv]

Interesting, I hadn't thought of that. I'll do that this week. Thanks!

Another question I have is what are the largest tires I can put on the car? Can I go with 245/40-17 or even 245/35-17? Wider looks so much cooler on a performance car like this.

 

[big_mike]

Hellooooooooooo Scott. I will do my best to answer each of your questions to the best of my knowledge.

Quite a few people here have the Harrop shifter and love it more than their cars!
Im pretty sure nobody here has a full LPE package but im trying to talk one member into it.
When shifting, its ok to jump up or down a 2 gear spread but to save your synchros, you dont really want to jump more than 3. For example, if your in 6th and 75 and somebody wants to play around, dont go stabbing it directly into 3rd. Sure, it will go, but your synchros in the trans wont appreciate it very much. Go from 6th over to 4th and then slam it into third (you can do this with the clutch in, im just describing the path the shifter makes).
When these guys want to pass someone, they will go into their most powerful gear in order to get the job done. So if your doing 50-55, your most powerful gear is 2nd and feel free to drop it in there and let er rip!

any other questions, hit me up.

 

[baron_iv]

Wow, shifting all the way down into 2nd would probably send me spinning into the other lane! Although it would be kinda fun to bark the tires while passing a mustang. I bet they'd think twice before messing with me again. :lol:
Over at the sport trac forums, I always wrote a review of everything I bought. If I get one of the lingenfelter packages, I'll write a full review of it.
Thanks for the answers Mike.

 

[big_mike]

you betcha! Its one of the reasons I am here.

 

[baron_iv]

Mike, I see that you have a Ford Ranger. Is that a 4.0 liter? I actually put the 4.0L supercharger on my truck. You would have to change the name "burnout king" to the Ranger instead of the mustang if you supercharged it. Even though that sport trac weighed 4600 pounds, it would burn the tires for practically as long as I wanted it to. Fun truck. Not quite as much fun as the GTO though.

 

[big_mike]

correction, HAD a ford ranger. All I have now is the S-10 and the cavalier. My ranger was a 2.3 as it was my first ever vehicle. It did so-so burnouts, I mean, you can only do so much in a 3400lb truck with a 100hp 4 banger.... The GT was a burnout king because it had 225hp, 2.73 gears, and would do 65 in first which made for a hellacious burnout on a 225-60-16 tire!

 

[ModBoss2]

Harrop shifter

I think this question was already asked on this thread, but I'm not sure if it was answered...which is the best shifter?

Harrop
GMM

 

[big_mike]

yeah, what he said.

 

[baron_iv]

I'm glad that harrop is as good as GMM, because I can't seem to find the GMM anywhere. Seems like there are a lot of 6-speed GTO buying them all up because the stock shifter is kinda uh...crappy.
Now...can I put wider tires on the GTO and not rub anything when I'm trying to turn? Maybe 245/40-17 or 245/35-17?

 

[fat nick]

Cheapest I've seen GMM for is $299. How much is Harrop?

 

[fat nick]

I'm glad that harrop is as good as GMM, because I can't seem to find the GMM anywhere. Seems like there are a lot of 6-speed GTO buying them all up because the stock shifter is kinda uh...crappy.
Now...can I put wider tires on the GTO and not rub anything when I'm trying to turn? Maybe 245/40-17 or 245/35-17?

I'm not sure about out front. But get some 275/40/17's for the back

 

[fat nick]

Wow, shifting all the way down into 2nd would probably send me spinning into the other lane! Although it would be kinda fun to bark the tires while passing a mustang. I bet they'd think twice before messing with me again. :lol:
Over at the sport trac forums, I always wrote a review of everything I bought. If I get one of the lingenfelter packages, I'll write a full review of it.
Thanks for the answers Mike.

Lord, please don't do that. :willy: You need to rev it to match rpms before dropping to 2nd or any gear for that fact. Even when I'm downshifting at redlights one gear at a time, I match revs. ALWAYS match revs

 

[big_mike]

very true, I just gave that advice to another user. PLEASE for the longevity of your drivetrain, when downshifting, just tap the gas real quick to bring the revs up before letting the clutch out. Your drivetrain will thank you.

 

[baron_iv]

I think my drivetrain is still a bit angry at me for the burnout I did earlier, but I'll keep that in mind about the revs and downshifting.

I believe the harrop is a bit more expensive than $299. I ordered the CAI from Lingenfelter, but they're being a pain in the arse saying that my paypal account isn't verified (which, it is, and has been for 2 years) so I may get it from somewhere else if they aren't willing to cooperate.

Wider tires on the back are gonna be another "mod" I'll do soon. I don't really consider that much of a mod, with a car like this after a certain number of miles, it is more of a necessity. My tires are practically brand new though, only 2 burnouts old! haha

 

[big_mike]

two? thats it? what, are you afraid?

 

[ModBoss2]

Cheapest I've seen GMM for is $299. How much is Harrop?

I'll be buying this soon...looks like it's only $199

http://www.lingenfelter.com/store/harshifter.html


...and here might be a better shot of it. Scroll towards the bottom

http://www.lingenfelter.com/store/p08.html

 

[Steve A]

Somebody correct me if I am wrong - the Harrop seems to have the linkage bar in it whereas the GMM seems to be direct without the linkage. Based on that I would assume the GMM might work better.

Comments, please !!!

 

[ModBoss2]

I think my drivetrain is still a bit angry at me for the burnout I did earlier, but I'll keep that in mind about the revs and downshifting.

I believe the harrop is a bit more expensive than $299. I ordered the CAI from Lingenfelter, but they're being a pain in the arse saying that my paypal account isn't verified (which, it is, and has been for 2 years) so I may get it from somewhere else if they aren't willing to cooperate.

It took me a little while to get my order straight with them, because of their policy of shipping only to a billing address...but I thought they were real easy to deal with and they kept me fully informed with my order, all the way. And if I looked it up right, I think Lingenfelter has the harrop right now for only $199

Good luck with your order.