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Everytime I get challenged by and beat a Mustang they never give me props. Every single time I've confronted one, they've been the ones to start crap with me, NEVER the other way around, and this incident was no different.

I was driving home from work this afternoon, had just merged onto the interstate still in the far right lane, and see this white convertible prior body style stang in the far left lane zip two lanes over and get behind me. I had just gotten a speeding ticket 2 months ago, and was more then aware that they had undercover stang cop cars around here so I didn't do anything stupid.

I had the cruise set at 80 (in a 70mph speed zone) and just kept up with the traffic. He stayed behind me for about a mile then got back in the lane to the left of me and got up beside me and just paced me. He never once looked over at me and gave me a smile or a nod or anything. It was a middle age black dude dressed in some fine duds and I was still suspicious as to whether or not it was an undercover cop car or not.

Traffic picked up and I got in front of him and he got behind me. Then the speed of the lanes changed and he got in front of me so I shot in behind him and followed him for a few miles. We got off the bayway and back onto land where most of the traffic gets off at the first 2 exits. He got out of the left lane and and just paced himself waiting for me. I figured hell, didn't look much like a cop car from the rear, so I got up beside him, both of us rolling at 80mph, and we took off.

I got the auto and don't know if he had a stick or not and don't know if he missed a gear or whatever, but I walked away from him hard. I got up to 130 quick and braked back down to 80 almost as quick and he come up behind me and got off at the next exit with me. We pulled up to the light and he had his window rolled down smiling ear to ear. I rolled my window down and he was laughing and said DAMN that thing is fast! I smiled and said thanks and told him he had a sharp looking car (it was spotless, even though it was the prior non-retro body style it looked like it just came off the showroom floor).

Anyways, long story short, that was the first time I had ever had a stang owner talk to me after a sprint and give me props. Guess they all don't have the "I am Stang, here me roar!" mentallity after all... :D
 

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So he didn't miss a gear and just got whooped. Glad he was a gentleman about it.
Nice one!:cheers
Love it!!!! I can't wait for my first mustang kill!!!!:cheers
 

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Nice! Yeah not all stang owners are jacka$$es...a couple years ago before I went back to grad school, I had an 04 GT 5sp...with full bolt-ons except for headers...it was a pretty fun car, but no GTO!...I used to spend a good amount of time on mustangforums.com, and there were plenty of owners who thought their mustang was the greatest and fastest, but they also had several good guys on there that knew where they stood, and had great respect for the almighty LS1 (the dream kill for the stang at the time). People would post kills of LS1's, LT1's and the informed, realistic ones would be questioning the kill ("u sure he was trying...")...I knew along with them, that w/o FI or some spray, the stang just wasn't close with the GM counterparts...I must say it's good to be on the GM side of things now, I know I don't have the best, fastest car out there, but I've havn't seen another care I'd rather have for the $$...and it isn't too often you'll see another ride that could hand you ur a$$ in a sprint...Nice kill!..always good when the other guy gives props to boot...
 

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Dusty, if he was stock and a stick he had a mid 14 second car. If it was an auto it was a high 14 second car. Compared to your low 13's high 12's, you could have given him a full second lead to 130 and beat him pretty easily.

Next time make it more challenging, try to keep from downshifting and still beat him.
 

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Nice! Yeah not all stang owners are jacka$$es...a couple years ago before I went back to grad school, I had an 04 GT 5sp...with full bolt-ons except for headers...it was a pretty fun car, but no GTO!...I used to spend a good amount of time on mustangforums.com, and there were plenty of owners who thought their mustang was the greatest and fastest, but they also had several good guys on there that knew where they stood, and had great respect for the almighty LS1 (the dream kill for the stang at the time). People would post kills of LS1's, LT1's and the informed, realistic ones would be questioning the kill ("u sure he was trying...")...I knew along with them, that w/o FI or some spray, the stang just wasn't close with the GM counterparts...I must say it's good to be on the GM side of things now, I know I don't have the best, fastest car out there, but I've havn't seen another care I'd rather have for the $$...and it isn't too often you'll see another ride that could hand you ur a$$ in a sprint...Nice kill!..always good when the other guy gives props to boot...
mustangs are the greatest fastest cars on the planet! anyone who doesn't believe that has really never driven one...either that or they are on the wrong planet! actually i feel like my notch has the same higher speed pull as maybe a ls1 goat but then again it could be my lack of a speedo and an on-the-blink tacho to match. also it sounds like it might be falling apart at the seams too.
 

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Dusty, if he was stock and a stick he had a mid 14 second car. If it was an auto it was a high 14 second car. Compared to your low 13's high 12's, you could have given him a full second lead to 130 and beat him pretty easily.

Next time make it more challenging, try to keep from downshifting and still beat him.

Not to be a killjoy, but that's a little too overexaggerant. New Edge GT's are high13-low 14 sec cars in manual trim, and low-mid 14's in auto form. A high speed roll is their weak spot, though.


OP- Nice kill.....
 

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Not to be a killjoy, but that's a little too overexaggerant. New Edge GT's are high13-low 14 sec cars in manual trim, and low-mid 14's in auto form. A high speed roll is their weak spot, though.


OP- Nice kill.....
Read his post again SCG. The car was a prior gen white Vert Mustang. That's at best got the 260hp 4.6 that puts down 215-225 to the wheels. In vert form they are 3600lbs and run high 14's in the 1/4 with an auto. Worst case it was like the 97 4.6 that I ran with the Cavalier and in that case he was a mid 15's car.

I'll agree with you the 05 and up GT runs low 14's as an auto and about 2 tenths slower for a vert.
 

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I did read his post. '99-04 GT's were the New Edge's and had a 260hp 2v 4.6 V8. Even in an auto 'Vert trim, they're typically 14.3-14.5.

The S197 GT's ('05 up) are an entirely different story. They've gone as low as 13.20-.30's, and average 13.50-.70's.

The '97 GT you speak of was a different gen and bodystyle than the one the OP ran. They had the 4.6 2v, but are known as non NPI cars, and have 230hp. They're high 14- low 15 sec cars if well-driven.

And this is coming from someone who could almost be considered anti-Mustang, mind you.....
 

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I did read his post. '99-04 GT's were the New Edge's and had a 260hp 2v 4.6 V8. Even in an auto 'Vert trim, they're typically 14.3-14.5.

The S197 GT's ('05 up) are an entirely different story. They've gone as low as 13.20-.30's, and average 13.50-.70's.

The '97 GT you speak of was a different gen and bodystyle than the one the OP ran. They had the 4.6 2v, but are known as non NPI cars, and have 230hp. They're high 14- low 15 sec cars if well-driven.

And this is coming from someone who could almost be considered anti-Mustang, mind you.....
SCG, your off a bit again. The new body style 05 and up GT's aren't a 13.2 car. I've only seen a few run better than 14.0. That 13.2 would put them close to a GTO. Plain and simple, a GTO is a full half second quicker than a GT. The GTO runs 13.1-13.3. Sure every once in a while a guy gets a 12.9- 13.0 in a stock GTO, but that's not the norm. I've never, and I'm at the track a lot, seen an 05 and up Mustang GT run better than 13.6 without mods. Most of the automatics are solid 14.1. To get to 13.2 they need an intake and DR's and an exhaust. Think about it. The 05 and up Mustang puts 20-30 hp less to the wheels than an F-body. An F-body struggles to run 13.2 stock and averages mid 13's and is 50-100lbs lighter than an 05 and up Mustang. Do the math it just doesn't work out.

The op never says new edge, he says the previous gen. What you call new edge Mustangs run 14.3 - 15.1 depending on a few things. The Verts are heavy and lose a couple tenths. The 4A in those cars is aweful. It saps almost a half second off the car. A typical automatic GT vert runs 14.9-15.1. The 97 is the same gen as the 99-04. That Gen is the SN-95 and is called the 4th gen, from 94-2004. In 94 and 95 The GT had the 5.0l and it was rated at 215hp. In 1996 they replaced the 5.0 with the 4.6. It was rated at 215hp for 96 and 97. In 1998 they improved the exhaust and intake and boosted hp to 225. They never had 230hp. From 87-97 the regular GT was rated at 215 or 225 hp and they just about always put 185-190hp to the wheels.

I know those cars. I've owned Mustangs and raced them. I've owned a Contour SVT and been part of SVTOA and raced it. I've watched others with their cars at events. Again, I'm at the track all the time too. This isn't numbers I've read, this is from actual track experience.
 

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Okay, let's clear things up here-

I was mistaken on the horsepower ratings of the non-NPI 4.6 GT's. I meant to say 225hp. And I was not aware there was a 10hp difference between the '98's and pre-98's. So my fault there.

Now, I should've explained myself more clearly on the difference in GT model years. The 94-04 cars are all the same gen technically. But the '99-04 model year cars (w/ the NPI 2v 4.6) are known as New Edges. Although they are still SN95's, they are referred to ny Mustang guys as the New Edge. The '05-up cars are the retro body style, and a completely different gen. They're the S197.

It is apparent the OP raced a New Edge 'Vert. Now, if the car was a manual, it is still a potential low-mid 14 sec car w/ a good driver. If it were an auto, we're now looking at a mid-high 14 sec car. So just for the sake of arguement, let's say it was a mid 14 sec car.

The non-New Edge SN95's w/ the 4.6 are still capable of high 14's in the right hands. Granted, it'd take a 5-sp Coupe, but it can and HAS been done. The 5.0 SN95's run pretty much the same numbers.

The '05-up S197's are indeed mid 13 sec cars w/ some dipping into the low 13's. I already said the average is 13.50-.70. But w/ some good driving, 13.40's is not rare. I've been a member over at Mustangforums for quite some time, and am quite familar w/ what each body style and model runs. I've seen timeslips and videos for nearaly every possoble trim Mustang there is. Here's the link for the 13.2x GT-

Bone-stock, to the tires.....

Stock 2005 GT goes 13.27

I'm not trying to start another war here, but what someone sees at their local track is not a good indicator of what a car runs. If I live somewhere 2,000ft in elevation, and see an Evo IX consistently run 14.20's, does that mean all Evo's run that time??? No. If I see some pansy in a Viper SRT-10 bogging and short-shifting his way to a 13.00, does that mean that's all they're capable of running??? No. Now, I am by no means saying that they all run the times I've given. I 'm just basing my times on what a 'good' driver is capable of turning w/ them. Not an average driver, not a crappy driver, not a professional driver, a GOOD driver. W/ the vast spectrum of driving skill any given vehicle owners' populus has, it's hard to pinpoint exactly what a 'car' itself runs. Driving skill, or lack thereof, will ALWAYS account for terrible times in otherwise fast cars. And one cannot assume every car will run those times in the real world. I admitted the times I've stated are from 'good' drivers, but the times I state for every car is assuming there is a 'good' driver behind the wheel. Notice I again said 'good' and not 'pro' or 'bad'. Everyone always gives time quotes for their OWN car based on what 'good' drivers average. I do the same w/ any given car. An LS2 GTO is a low-13 sec car. An LS2 Vette is a mid-12 sec car. A New Edge GT is a low-14 sec car. An Evo is a low-13 sec car. So on and so forth. W/ a 'good' driver, those are the times you can expect. Versus w/ a 'pro' driver and/or perfect/ideal conditions- An LS2 GTO is a high-12 car. An LS2 Vette is a low-12 sec car. An HR 350Z is a low-13 sec car. An STi is a high-12 sec car. A New Edge GT is a high-13 sec car.

Do you understand what I'm saying??? I hope so. I'm not imply ALL cars run the times I quote. But rather w/ a decently-experienced driver, that's what they are capable of. It depends on how one determines what a car runs, I guess, but like I said, nearly evary owner will tell someone what their car runs based on a time posted by a good driver. Whether said owner can duplicate that time is questionable. I like to expect the worse w/ opponents, so I give the benefit of the doubt so as not to underestimate them.......
 

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Okay, let's clear things up here-

I was mistaken on the horsepower ratings of the non-NPI 4.6 GT's. I meant to say 225hp. And I was not aware there was a 10hp difference between the '98's and pre-98's. So my fault there.

Now, I should've explained myself more clearly on the difference in GT model years. The 94-04 cars are all the same gen technically. But the '99-04 model year cars (w/ the NPI 2v 4.6) are known as New Edges. Although they are still SN95's, they are referred to ny Mustang guys as the New Edge. The '05-up cars are the retro body style, and a completely different gen. They're the S197.

It is apparent the OP raced a New Edge 'Vert. Now, if the car was a manual, it is still a potential low-mid 14 sec car w/ a good driver. If it were an auto, we're now looking at a mid-high 14 sec car. So just for the sake of arguement, let's say it was a mid 14 sec car.

The non-New Edge SN95's w/ the 4.6 are still capable of high 14's in the right hands. Granted, it'd take a 5-sp Coupe, but it can and HAS been done. The 5.0 SN95's run pretty much the same numbers.

The '05-up S197's are indeed mid 13 sec cars w/ some dipping into the low 13's. I already said the average is 13.50-.70. But w/ some good driving, 13.40's is not rare. I've been a member over at Mustangforums for quite some time, and am quite familar w/ what each body style and model runs. I've seen timeslips and videos for nearaly every possoble trim Mustang there is. Here's the link for the 13.2x GT-

Bone-stock, to the tires.....

Stock 2005 GT goes 13.27

I'm not trying to start another war here, but what someone sees at their local track is not a good indicator of what a car runs. If I live somewhere 2,000ft in elevation, and see an Evo IX consistently run 14.20's, does that mean all Evo's run that time??? No. If I see some pansy in a Viper SRT-10 bogging and short-shifting his way to a 13.00, does that mean that's all they're capable of running??? No. Now, I am by no means saying that they all run the times I've given. I 'm just basing my times on what a 'good' driver is capable of turning w/ them. Not an average driver, not a crappy driver, not a professional driver, a GOOD driver. W/ the vast spectrum of driving skill any given vehicle owners' populus has, it's hard to pinpoint exactly what a 'car' itself runs. Driving skill, or lack thereof, will ALWAYS account for terrible times in otherwise fast cars. And one cannot assume every car will run those times in the real world. I admitted the times I've stated are from 'good' drivers, but the times I state for every car is assuming there is a 'good' driver behind the wheel. Notice I again said 'good' and not 'pro' or 'bad'. Everyone always gives time quotes for their OWN car based on what 'good' drivers average. I do the same w/ any given car. An LS2 GTO is a low-13 sec car. An LS2 Vette is a mid-12 sec car. A New Edge GT is a low-14 sec car. An Evo is a low-13 sec car. So on and so forth. W/ a 'good' driver, those are the times you can expect. Versus w/ a 'pro' driver and/or perfect/ideal conditions- An LS2 GTO is a high-12 car. An LS2 Vette is a low-12 sec car. An HR 350Z is a low-13 sec car. An STi is a high-12 sec car. A New Edge GT is a high-13 sec car.

Do you understand what I'm saying??? I hope so. I'm not imply ALL cars run the times I quote. But rather w/ a decently-experienced driver, that's what they are capable of. It depends on how one determines what a car runs, I guess, but like I said, nearly evary owner will tell someone what their car runs based on a time posted by a good driver. Whether said owner can duplicate that time is questionable. I like to expect the worse w/ opponents, so I give the benefit of the doubt so as not to underestimate them.......
Guess I live in the real world too much. Sorry.
 

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Love it!!!! I can't wait for my first mustang kill!!!!:cheers
I cant wait to smoke my 8th grade social studies teacher.
(Im in 9th grade now)

He drives maybe a 2000-4 mustrag with a 4.6 and an automatic.
He drives with his left hand on the wheel,
The right hand on the shifter,
(Which is pretty stupid becuase I know its an AT, not even and auto-stick)
His left shoulder higher than his own head,
(Trying to do a shoulder lean or whatever that crap is)
And goes +20 over the limit.

Would love to just leave him in the dust.

He is part of my future list to kill.
The other three:
This one popular football kid who drives a Civic on 20's,
Another kid in a blue Mitsubitchy (which is REALLY riced-up),
And my cousin's kid, who drives an Integra with a wing and a coffee can muffler.
 

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I've never heard the term edge or new edge before. If that is what the prior body style is called, what do they call the current retro body style?
 

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I've never heard the term edge or new edge before. If that is what the prior body style is called, what do they call the current retro body style?

Luckily I read the entire post. At first you sounded like a big bully who was just escorted to the principals office claiming that you didn't start the fight, but you finished it....

Hopefully it goes to show that some Mustang drivers are cool :cool.
 

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I've never heard the term edge or new edge before. If that is what the prior body style is called, what do they call the current retro body style?
S197
 

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Pre 1999 Mustang GT's are slower than snail **** in stock form. I was side by side with a 98 GT with intake/exhaust in my bone stock 99 Grand Am GT (175 hp). Those are high 15 - low 16 sec. cars too.
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