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It's getting out of hand. As an example, I was having a business dinner in Mexico. The guys who were hosting were smokers. We're in the middle of a very nice restaurant -- and they ask if they could light up. No problem.

Somehow, the conversation came around to how crazy American laws are becoming. For example, the wacky smoking bans. It's one thing to ban it in a public restaurant -- another to ban it from your backyard if you live in a condo -- as some cities are now doing.

Seems like in the past few years good laws are being taken to extremes -- and becoming oppressive as a result. 20 years ago, nobody would even think of proposing a law banning radar detectors. Now? Some politician's doing it to be politically correct because a bunch of whiny voters have been brainwashed to think that speeding in and of itself kills people -- so people who have radar detectors are bad people who are speeders -- because they will kill people. Just stupid, convoluted logic.
 

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The smoking ban is another example yet of secular progressives at work. Far Left do not want to hear it because they have become the big problem in this country. They are trying and succeeding to take away our Christian values the country was based on and and replace them with governmental socialistic rule. That smoking ban in your own back yard and in your car is a prime example. I hate smoking, I hate the smell of it, but people have the right in their own home, car etc to smoke.

NYC School system has banned Christian affirmation of the Nativity scene at Christmas. The only reference to CHRISTmas now is a Christmas Tree. However the menorah , and the ISLAMIC symbol are allowed. Secular Progressives have succeeded in BANNING this reference to this CHRISTmas symbol, the birth of Christ. The rights of Christians are being taken away and the movement is on to BAN all reference to CHRISTmas and wishing people a Merry Christmas and replacing it with Happy Holidays. There are cities in the U.S.A. that have passed laws to this effect. NO BULL. Muslims HATE Christianity, they are murdering us for it in their endeavor to replace all religions with their Muslim doctrine. But MUSLIMS have a Christmas symbol???? When was the last time anyone seen a child sitting on the lap of an Emom telling one what they want for Christmas? We symbolize Christmas by exchanging gifts. They give kids guns and weapons and teach to hate and kill yet they can express Christmas in their own way BY LAW while laws are being passed to take away OUR Christian symbols of it. The government is allowing them to do what they want because the country and our government is becoming increasingly scared to death to confront ISLAM. Another ridiculous example of MORONIC laws being passed by the Far Left. Slowly and surely new laws are being passed to replace laws that we have enjoyed through the constitution.

It is only going to get worse. Every night when I watch the news it seems more MORONIC laws are being passed that coincide with socialistic values.
 

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Funny I was just having this discussing with my FAMILY at the DINNER TABLE. America has become so diluted with all this free-speech equality bull**** that it forgot that this is America. Where free-speech and equality are supposed to be part of who we are. Now the only thing you can stand up for is some non-christan, non-straight, judge who thinks its a good idea to pass a law that gives more power to already corrupt people. And why? I seriously wish I had never grown up to see a country thats going to destroy itself. America has left its values behind for corrupt politians that hide their alltieror(sp) motives in undersigns of bills that promote equality of races in the work place. BS. Our government is so far from helping its people anymore. Seems everywhere we go now something is being taken away and I can't do jumping jacks in my backyard anymore. Go figure the GREAT America is gonna destroy itself, not a third world country.
 

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The smoking ban is another example yet of secular progressives at work. Far Left do not want to hear it because they have become the big problem in this country. They are trying and succeeding to take away our Christian values the country was based on and and replace them with governmental socialistic rule. That smoking ban in your own back yard and in your car is a prime example. I hate smoking, I hate the smell of it, but people have the right in their own home, car etc to smoke.

NYC School system has banned Christian affirmation of the Nativity scene at Christmas. The only reference to CHRISTmas now is a Christmas Tree. However the menorah , and the ISLAMIC symbol are allowed. Secular Progressives have succeeded in BANNING this reference to this CHRISTmas symbol, the birth of Christ. The rights of Christians are being taken away and the movement is on to BAN all reference to CHRISTmas and wishing people a Merry Christmas and replacing it with Happy Holidays. There are cities in the U.S.A. that have passed laws to this effect. NO BULL. Muslims HATE Christianity, they are murdering us for it in their endeavor to replace all religions with their Muslim doctrine. But MUSLIMS have a Christmas symbol???? When was the last time anyone seen a child sitting on the lap of an Emom telling one what they want for Christmas? We symbolize Christmas by exchanging gifts. They give kids guns and weapons and teach to hate and kill yet they can express Christmas in their own way BY LAW while laws are being passed to take away OUR Christian symbols of it. The government is allowing them to do what they want because the country and our government is becoming increasingly scared to death to confront ISLAM. Another ridiculous example of MORONIC laws being passed by the Far Left. Slowly and surely new laws are being passed to replace laws that we have enjoyed through the constitution.

It is only going to get worse. Every night when I watch the news it seems more MORONIC laws are being passed that coincide with socialistic values.
Excuse me bartender, I am trying to get drunk so I can drive to this chicks house have unprotected sex, then drive home and beat my wife, and this guys is blowing smoke in my face.
 

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Just wait until we have socialized health care/ Seriously think about this!!!
Because "Tax payers" will be paying for health care there will be study after study showing that a certain behaivor or action people get hurt and therefor they will out law it! Study will show that driving 45mph on the interstate would save so many billions as opposed to driving 70mph because a wreck at 70 costs more than per wreck than one at 45, plus it is better for the enviorment. And the gun thing,, because x amount of people get shot and it cost so much a year to treat the people,,,bam guns are gun in the interest of the tax payer....no more skiing to many broken bones and other related costs to injuries from skiing. Then to cut costs even more, mandatory health exams, oh you were eating more than your one a month allowed cheese burger. You will be fined!!! Keep it up you go to jail..,,

Think that all sounds nuts? Take the logical step on how government works...Just wait!! It is coming!!
 

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Excuse me bartender, I am trying to get drunk so I can drive to this chicks house have unprotected sex, then drive home and beat my wife, and this guys is blowing smoke in my face.
:rofl: :rofl: I try an avoid places where there is smoke. Sometimes it's unavoidable. I know guys that don't need to get drunk to beat their wives. And I need all my scruples about me to have unprotected, protected, semi protected or even think about sex with chicks these days. Besides, when drinking my avatar looks mighty fine. :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy:
 

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Just wait until we have socialized health care/ Seriously think about this!!!
Because "Tax payers" will be paying for health care there will be study after study showing that a certain behaivor or action people get hurt and therefor they will out law it! Study will show that driving 45mph on the interstate would save so many billions as opposed to driving 70mph because a wreck at 70 costs more than per wreck than one at 45, plus it is better for the enviorment. And the gun thing,, because x amount of people get shot and it cost so much a year to treat the people,,,bam guns are gun in the interest of the tax payer....no more skiing to many broken bones and other related costs to injuries from skiing. Then to cut costs even more, mandatory health exams, oh you were eating more than your one a month allowed cheese burger. You will be fined!!! Keep it up you go to jail..,,

Think that all sounds nuts? Take the logical step on how government works...Just wait!! It is coming!!
Far Left ideology.

Who would ever thought, Christmas would be under attack in America?

How about the female senator from Florida who is introducing a bill to ban the word ALIEN from the phrase, Illegal Alien? She wants them to be called Illegal immigrants. All the things wrong in this world, she's worried about insulting them.
The definition of Alien as defined in Webster:


Main Entry: 1alien
Pronunciation: 'A-lE-&n, 'Al-y&n
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin alienus, from alius
1 a : belonging or relating to another person, place, or thing : STRANGE b : relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government :


Notice were it states OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.
We have morons who think it is demeaning to them to call them what they are, and are defined as. There are legislatures, ACLU proponents who want us to pick up the tab for heir health care, education, and living expenses. It's just getting worse, and worse.

Remember the 2 security border patrol agents in prison for shooting a drug smuggler in the a$$ when he ran? The 148 lbs of dope was not permissible for the jurors to hear? He was granted immunity for his testimony against the guys that nailed him from a FEDERAL PROSECUTOR to testify against them? He was just caught again with 152lbs of dope, and WAS LET GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was granted immunity. He was stopped, and was released because of his immunity status. That is our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT at work. Again, far left Ideology.

It ought to piss everyone off.
 

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If the police have the right to use radar for tracking our speed, shouldn't we have the right to know they are using it? And be able to protect ourselves from the effects of their use on us?

I think there needs to be a study of radar guns, i'll bet for sure they cause cancer...

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If the police have the right to use radar for tracking our speed, shouldn't we have the right to know they are using it? And be able to protect ourselves from the effects of their use on us?

I think there needs to be a study of radar guns, i'll bet for sure they cause cancer...

Chris
They have no obligation to warn you you are being tagged by radar.

Studies I have read on the use of the radar guns is, they cause no harm on you. They have been known to cause testicular cancer in the officers who use them. Studies shown that when they rest the radar gun between their legs, there were elevated reports of testicular cancer in those who engaged in it.
 

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Far Left ideology.

Who would ever thought, Christmas would be under attack in America?

How about the female senator from Florida who is introducing a bill to ban the word ALIEN from the phrase, Illegal Alien? She wants them to be called Illegal immigrants. All the things wrong in this world, she's worried about insulting them.
The definition of Alien as defined in Webster:


Main Entry: 1alien
Pronunciation: 'A-lE-&n, 'Al-y&n
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin alienus, from alius
1 a : belonging or relating to another person, place, or thing : STRANGE b : relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government :


Notice were it states OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.
We have morons who think it is demeaning to them to call them what they are, and are defined as. There are legislatures, ACLU proponents who want us to pick up the tab for heir health care, education, and living expenses. It's just getting worse, and worse.

Remember the 2 security border patrol agents in prison for shooting a drug smuggler in the a$$ when he ran? The 148 lbs of dope was not permissible for the jurors to hear? He was granted immunity for his testimony against the guys that nailed him from a FEDERAL PROSECUTOR to testify against them? He was just caught again with 152lbs of dope, and WAS LET GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was granted immunity. He was stopped, and was released because of his immunity status. That is our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT at work. Again, far left Ideology.

It ought to piss everyone off.
Bill O'Reilly really sums up a lot of my feelings in his program. I disagree with some, but agree with most. After I watch his show, I am usually so upset that I have to go outside and smoke. Good thing I watch at home, and not in a restaurant.

Radar Detector laws, Helmet laws, seatbelt laws, smoking laws, watering restriction laws, deed restriction laws, hate-speech laws, noise ordinance laws (15 ft from vehicle here), traffic cams, etc etc etc. Its enough to make you wonder if you woke up in Red China after going to sleep in America (land of the free?). Driving unmarked civilian vehicles, hiding in bushes, hinding in cherry pickers like your servicing street lamps, laser picking traffic and hiding a wolf-pack 5 blocks away so nobody sees before its too late in the name of "Safety"? What a huge, gigantic scam portrayed on us poor sheeple. Parking a fully marked and lighted cruiser in the median will slow traffic down like nobody's business, in the name of safety. Hiding your presence so you can nail as many poor suckers to the wall as possible before anybody catches on used to be frowned upon as edging too close to entrapment now its standard fare everywhere.

Our country is in a sad state people, and we continue to elect our own jailers. If we continue this decline of personal freedoms and moral standards in which we conduct ourselves we will start to circle the drain just like the Romans did.
 

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Bill O'Reilly really sums up a lot of my feelings in his program. I disagree with some, but agree with most. After I watch his show, I am usually so upset that I have to go outside and smoke. Good thing I watch at home, and not in a restaurant.

Radar Detector laws, Helmet laws, seatbelt laws, smoking laws, watering restriction laws, deed restriction laws, hate-speech laws, noise ordinance laws (15 ft from vehicle here), traffic cams, etc etc etc. Its enough to make you wonder if you woke up in Red China after going to sleep in America (land of the free?). Driving unmarked civilian vehicles, hiding in bushes, hinding in cherry pickers like your servicing street lamps, laser picking traffic and hiding a wolf-pack 5 blocks away so nobody sees before its too late in the name of "Safety"? What a huge, gigantic scam portrayed on us poor sheeple. Parking a fully marked and lighted cruiser in the median will slow traffic down like nobody's business, in the name of safety. Hiding your presence so you can nail as many poor suckers to the wall as possible before anybody catches on used to be frowned upon as edging too close to entrapment now its standard fare everywhere.

Our country is in a sad state people, and we continue to elect our own jailers. If we continue this decline of personal freedoms and moral standards in which we conduct ourselves we will start to circle the drain just like the Romans did.
Glad to see I am not the only Factor fan. I too agree with just about, but not all he says. He speaks and backs what he says with facts. I am assuming you have already heard on his show what I printed. What he is doing is trying to wake up America and get people to see what is happening. Truth hurts, that's why he's hated by so many. So many journalists cannot back what they say with fact, he does it everyday. I agree, his show is depressing. But then again what is happening to our country and our values is depressing.
 

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Agreed, truth hurts, but its gonna hurt a helluva lot more if we keep pickin our noses and electing people who have "other" goals in mind.
 

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Agreed, truth hurts, but its gonna hurt a helluva lot more if we keep pickin our noses and electing people who have "other" goals in mind.
Radical Islam is a major threat to us. No one is addressing it. EVERYONE is afraid to confront them, even the moderate Muslims. They have the world intimidated and terrified of them. ANY kind of negative feedback on them causes more death, and mayhem. The Radicals continue to tell us they are gunning for us and coming after us. It is being blown off as rhetoric. 911 has blown over, and despite how many of us can't take Bush, his offensive in Iraq has something to do with no more 911's since.

There are candidates on the left hand side of the isle that have the support of Radical Islam because they have no vision on what to do in Iraq other than pull out and leave. When they are pressed on the issue of dealing with the consequences of what will happen when they pull out the troops, they skirt the issue. They are too busy fighting the war from within their own party to deal with the other threats. Their goal is to destroy Republican's who they view as the real enemy.

The attack on the constitution to abolish it and create one with socialistic values is their forefront. These new laws being created are taking presidence over more threatening issues. I just hope that when this jihad goes down our leaders can get their fingers out of their noses long enough to react.
 

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What we need is a law restricting frivolous laws!
It's really pretty simple. We have enough laws. What we need is to pass a resolution saying that every other year our government can't pass any new laws. They can only repeal laws for that period.

Florida is starting to get nuts now. They want to have redlight cameras, which have been proven to increase traffic accidents and their severity. They also want to ban radar detectors. I can see gun control coming next. I'm starting to wonder why I escaped from the Peoples Republic of California to here.
 

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Quite a few years back, PA passed a law requiring seat belt usage. You may not be cited for that violation unless you are pulled over for another infraction however.

I am sure many other states have this as well and I have read how much seat belts save lives etc. I wear one all the time, even before the state forced me to. The Commonwealth figures if you are too ignorant to protect yourself, they will force you to help you protect yourself.

Just 2 years ago the Commonwealth repealed the helmet law for motorcyclists. No longer are cyclists required to wear helmets. It is up to the rider to police his/her own safety. So many love the freedom of not having to wear a helmet, and love the feel of the wind, bugs, and debris bouncing off their face and skulls, not to mention the freedom of not having to keep their brains in their skull should they hit the pavement at 80mph.

Now I know other states don't have helmet laws, but our Governor has decided to force protection of the operators of cars and enforce their safety for their own good. Motorcyclists however have enough safety measures in place, so much so the Governor found it logical to ease up on the cyclists.

I have never ridden a motorcycle and have no intentions to. I personally don't care one way or another if cyclists wear a helmet or not. What makes sense though is the way the Commonwealth of PA is concerned about driver safety. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :eek: :eek:
 

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Quite a few years back, PA passed a law requiring seat belt usage. You may not be cited for that violation unless you are pulled over for another infraction however.

I am sure many other states have this as well and I have read how much seat belts save lives etc. I wear one all the time, even before the state forced me to. The Commonwealth figures if you are too ignorant to protect yourself, they will force you to help you protect yourself.

Just 2 years ago the Commonwealth repealed the helmet law for motorcyclists. No longer are cyclists required to wear helmets. It is up to the rider to police his/her own safety. So many love the freedom of not having to wear a helmet, and love the feel of the wind, bugs, and debris bouncing off their face and skulls, not to mention the freedom of not having to keep their brains in their skull should they hit the pavement at 80mph.

Now I know other states don't have helmet laws, but our Governor has decided to force protection of the operators of cars and enforce their safety for their own good. Motorcyclists however have enough safety measures in place, so much so the Governor found it logical to ease up on the cyclists.

I have never ridden a motorcycle and have no intentions to. I personally don't care one way or another if cyclists wear a helmet or not. What makes sense though is the way the Commonwealth of PA is concerned about driver safety. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :eek: :eek:
Yeee Haaa! Uncle Rendell knows best. The state of PA did a such a great job with the 10" of snow a couple of weeks ago. Only several highways were shut down for only a few days and a statewide state of emergency declared. I really need these buffoons making decisions about my personal safety. I too wear a seat belt because it's smart, not because some bureaucrat says so.

As for motorcyclists, let them choose to take the bug strikes and splatter their brains. But also, let the insurance companies jack their rates sky high for it as well. Or, better yet, refuse medical coverage.

Perhaps Rendell has bought into the whole Darwin theory and is simply attempting to clean up the PA gene pool. God knows a little filtering wouldn't hurt this state.
 
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