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Let's start a thread dedicated to the Queen.

Topic: A new airplane for her.

I am assuming many have read or seen on the news the Queen's need for a bigger, and better equipped airplane to haul her around. Her biggest concern is she would have to stop to refuel along the way hindering her safety, and by flying nonstop would make her feel safer.

Never mind there are dozens of military airbases between the East, and West Coasts to stop and refuel at, but her main concern is so she will feel more safer flying nonstop.

She feels a modified 757 jumbo jet is necessary for her, while the previous luxury jets used for the previous House Speakers are ill equipped and substandard. The plane she wants rivals Air Force 1.

300K to fly nonstop from Coast to Coast. With a crew of 16 to service her and her entourage.

Perhaps a "Her Majesties tax" is in order.

All hail the Queen.
 

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I'd like to see proof that she made such a request -- not a bunch of unconfirmed reports from a bunch of unnamed sources from some crackpot conservative think tank or Limbaugh-style loudmouth who makes stuff up as he goes along. Sounds like a "swift boat" style smear campaign if you ask me.

Besides, Hastert was flown back in forth on a private plane during his entire term as Speaker. How come these "conservative Republican" organizations, who are all about fiscal responsibility and small government, didn't demand that he fly Southwest -- as this country has been running record deficits for years? Why the change in tune now?

There's a reason why Republicans got punted in droves the last election. And the last thing this country needs is crap like this. No elected official deserves private transporation -- not even the nit-wit in the White House -- as this country is flat out broke and shouldn't be putting another nickel on my credit card.
 

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I saw this on CNN, John Beck, and read what they said written by AP in our local paper. According to what I saw, and read, the only one sticking up for her is the White House. She's supposedly getting flack from the Republican's and some Demos.
 

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I saw this on CNN, John Beck, and read what they said written by AP in our local paper. According to what I saw, and read, the only one sticking up for her is the White House. She's supposedly getting flack from the Republican's and some Demos.
You mean Glenn Beck, right? And who is he and the AP quoting? Oh, an unnamed source. Great. Is there a tape of her making such a request? An e-mail or memo? Or is this some kind of gross distortion where nothing of the sort was ever said? I really wish Congress would sit down and take care of our country's business instead of pulling stunts like this.
 

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Here is what I heard. Trust me I'm definately not a Pelosi lover.

The House Speakers' plane is a 737. Why it doesn't have the range to fly from DC to San Fran is beyond me. They fly 737's nonstop from Pittsburgh to San Diego, I've been on them for that flight. It might have to do with the vectors they have to fly and there is a more straight through flight to San Diego. It might also have to do with FAA regs or military regs when a high ranking government official is aboard an aircraft.

Pelosi did not want to fly if there was a stop involved. Because of that she was unable to use the Speakers plane. When she indicated that she wouldn't fly on the plane if it wasn't nonstop she said that she would fly commercial. That would mean she would go to the airport like the rest of the Senators and House members. The seargant at arms indicated that the risk was unacceptable to him and he was the one that requested a new plane for the Speaker. She has said more than enough that she would be just as happy flying commercial and that there is no need to get her a new plane.

We as a country should consider getting a new plane for the Speaker. Think about it, in a world with as much risk as there is now would we want to have the Speaker of the House, or the Senate Majority Leader, people who are in the chain of command to assume the Presidency, risking national security by flying on less than the best planes? I'm thinking a 757 with in flight refuel capability is a minimum security consideration for those leaders, not an extravagance.

I disagree with her position on most things, but respect her position and the need to protect her.
 

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Sounds like alot of BS and no facts floating around on this one... In fact, I'm trying to get a handle of what is really happening here myself...

Here are some news links that might help educate ourselves...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2858225
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/08/thursday/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Sgt.-at-arms says he requested larger plane for Pelosi
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood said Thursday it was his decision to request a larger plane that could travel cross-country non-stop for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's use, dousing conservative claims that the speaker herself wanted a larger, more expensive plane for herself and her family.

"The fact that Speaker Pelosi lives in California compelled me to request an aircraft that is capable of making non-stop flights for security purposes, unless such an aircraft is unavailable," Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood, who has been at his post for 11 years, said in a written statement.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/08/cnr.05.html
And again, just to say, after September 11th, the attacks, the Pentagon agreed to provide the speaker with -- whoever the speaker was with a military plane for added security during trips back home. And the former speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, used a smaller commuter-size plane, but again, Dennis Hastert doesn't have to refuel to get back to Illinois. Nancy Pelosi would have to refuel on the smaller plane to get to San Francisco.
 

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You mean Glenn Beck, right? And who is he and the AP quoting? Oh, an unnamed source. Great. Is there a tape of her making such a request? An e-mail or memo? Or is this some kind of gross distortion where nothing of the sort was ever said? I really wish Congress would sit down and take care of our country's business instead of pulling stunts like this.

http://www.nbc4.tv/politics/10966842/detail.html

Yes, Glenn Beck, Not the author. I meant Glenn. I'm just stating what is all over the news. It was on MSNBC again last night with Keith Olberman who ran this. He's reporting what others are saying and chiming in, it is stated she wants to be able to fly family members and supporters of hers to events. Lou Dobbs had a whole segment on it as well. Her "request" as "reported" has been sitting dormant in the Washington post for publication. Someone "leaked" out the request according to those reporting this.

I am no Pelosi fan. What amazes me is, this news being reported about this is coming from Far Left news sources. Sources that are or "were" her supporters. If this is all made up to make her look foolish, and it's coming from media supporters of hers who are reporting this and not substantiating the credibility of this, it's a perfect example of the furthering divide going on by our leaders.

The real war being raged is between Republican's and Democrats, not Freedom and terrorism.
 

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Sounds like alot of BS and no facts floating around on this one... In fact, I'm trying to get a handle of what is really happening here myself...

Here are some news links that might help educate ourselves...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2858225
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/08/thursday/index.html?section=cnn_latest



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/08/cnr.05.html
Good to see you and I agree on something other than high powered sports cars. Your links back up what I had heard. Pelosi did offer to fly commercial, but that is a risk that, no matter who the speaker is, should not happen to someone in the line to ascend to the Presidency should something happen.
 

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I think ther point is she IS NOT the President or Vice President. She is authorized to have the use of a 10 seat Gulfstream, not a 42 seat jumbo jet. It is the difference between $5,000 and hour to operate (which is approved) and $22,000 an hour(which is insane). Let's be clear, she does not want simply a secure aircraft to shuttle her and her secret service team back and forth between DC and SF, she want to be able to shuttle a 40+ person enterage (grand children, actors , lobbyists, etc.).
 

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c'mon ... do you really think Glenn Beck will let the facts get in the way of his radio show? After all, there are some who would not let the facts interfere with any of their opinions, and nothing you or I could do or bring to light will change their minds.

Although I'm a registered Republican, I've been voting pretty much along libertarian lines for quite some time now. I've never voted for GW Bush, although I did vote for his dad. I have NEVER voted for a Democrat for a national office, only in a few local races and the mayor where I grew up the first time I voted. I can't stand Nancy Pelosi, as I feel she is almost as big of a hippocryte as is Diane Feinstein. I do feel, however, that our rights are safest when neither the house, senate, or presidency are all controlled by the same party. As long as they're wasting time bickering and finger pointing, they can't hurt us too badly.

Personally, I'm not a fan of either party right now. It seems as if the Republicans of the 2000's have turned into the tax and spend Democrats of the 1980's. The Democrats, on the other hand, offer only criticism and disingenuous plattitudes with no real solutions. Both parties are guilty of unwillingness to work towards solutions and double standards.

I don't think the overall economy is as bad as the Democrats would have you believe. There are, however, pockets that are really hurting. I'm also not a big fan of the Iraq thing. In the words of my mom, a lifelong conservative libertarian "I think I've seen enough war in my lifetime."

I, too, have heard that it's not Pelosi's decision, but I am sure that the die hard right wingers will use this to their advantage. BTW, I don't think a 737-700 qualifies as a "jumbo jet". In all the research I can find into the ORIGINAL issue, there is no reference to a specific plane (such as a c20,c21,c37 -which can fly nonstop ONLY in good weather, c32 - the 757, or c40 - the 737 used to ferry congress on "fact finding missions" to war zones). most references, however are using the c40. The C32, btw, is TWICE as fuel efficient as the c37, so I don't see how it could cost over 4 times as much per hour to operate ... I'd like to see how those numbers came into play ...

just my two cents, take it for what it's worth.
 

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Being a pilot myself, after sept 11, I know where the V.P was and what he was flying, It was a G-IV !!! And he is the vice president!!! A gulfstream can go coast to coast without stopping for her...
Notice that LIbErals will deny, then when shown, say well he did it once:willy: cry babies
 
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