The question has come up on remote oil filters.
I my self wanted to use a remote setup. It was not really for any of the often stated benefits, but rather, the look I was after. In doing my build, I am not using the heater or fan and want a smooth firewall look. To that, I want a more competitive street racer/drag car look and to me the remote oil filter on the firewall is that look.
If you do a web seach on what is best and which brand, etc., like all things you will get 100 different opinions and some will scare the heck out of you and you won't even consider them. Which type - dual filter or single? Tall or short filters? What size lines - 8 AN, 10 AN, or ? How long should the line be? How about attachment elbows - curved or 90 degree? Oil pressure - some say you will lose oil pressure and others won't. Oil drain-back, some say yes, some say no, and some say you'll start your engine dry with no oil.
Where to locate it - below the oil pan oil level, above the engine, on the firewall, on the fender well, ?????
Here is what I have just ordered for my build from Nitemare Performance - right or wrong. I wanted a complete kit that was a tried and proven set-up rather than cobble something together using individual pieces/parts and hope I got it right. I had a few questions which were answered promptly. I also have to trust in the person who uses and sells these or I will be second guessing myself forever and worry every time I fire up the engine and "notice" something suspicious that just doesn't look 100% right all the time.
Complete Pro Series Remote Oil Filter Setup
PJ to Darrin Magro email:
"I have never used a remote, and what I have researched on the internet has simply confused me more. Lot of opinions and I'm sure many haven't a clue what they are talking about, so excuse my ignorance.. So a couple of questions to sort through the internet BS/Myth's.
#1 . Biggest thing I read is the term "oil drain back." With the remote filter mounted on the firewall, when the engine is shut down, the oil can drain back down the lines leaving the lines dry and when the engine is fired up, bearings don't get any oil until the oil pressure builds up and wear of bearing/mating surfaces are accelerated.
#2 Location of oil filter with regards to the above. Some say it needs to be low on the firewall and mounting it above the engine will only make "oil drain back" worse. With no heater in the way on the firewall, that is about where I would locate the filter. I want people to see it, not bury it low out of obvious sight.
#3 A remote filter can lower oil pressure. I have the 60 PSI pump and I have read I may see an oil pressure drop of a few pounds. (Have a healthy iron head 455 build/TKO-600 5-speed/3.89 geared Ford 9"). Perhaps this is more due to where the mechanical oil pressure gauge reading is taken - engine or remote filter fitting?
#4 Any other considerations or pitfalls I may need to know about?"
Darrin Magro to PJ email reply:
"Most remote filter set ups got a bad rap because they are installed with really long lines with the filter attached to the radiator support and sometimes with twin filters. This set up reflects some of the issues you mentioned with this kind of set up, Ours is designed to be installed high on the fire wall, close to the motor. There is NO drain back of the filter, only of the lines, due to simple gravity. The filtration is superior and the oil runs cooler. An average of 7 HP can be expected over a standard oil housing with a stock filter. Extra clearance for headers is also a big benefit. When you first start the engine when COLD just run for the first 2 seconds at the lowest RPM possible till oil pressure comes up then you good. No issues when hot as the oil pumps quickly. The engine running for 2 seconds with no oil pressure wont do any harm as the bearings hold oil. Use Drivens HR1 Hot Rod oil, conventional based 15-50 #2 106 oil for best results. There is no oil pressure issues at all when driving or under load. We install this on EVERY motor we sell. Its absolutely the best single upgrade you can do to your oil system. Any more question please advise."
So there you have it. I am running Doug's headers so in using this set-up, the benefits are of course the oil filter clearance issues I won't have, no spilling of oil on the headers when it comes to changing filters, plus those outlined by Darrin. :thumbsup:
I my self wanted to use a remote setup. It was not really for any of the often stated benefits, but rather, the look I was after. In doing my build, I am not using the heater or fan and want a smooth firewall look. To that, I want a more competitive street racer/drag car look and to me the remote oil filter on the firewall is that look.
If you do a web seach on what is best and which brand, etc., like all things you will get 100 different opinions and some will scare the heck out of you and you won't even consider them. Which type - dual filter or single? Tall or short filters? What size lines - 8 AN, 10 AN, or ? How long should the line be? How about attachment elbows - curved or 90 degree? Oil pressure - some say you will lose oil pressure and others won't. Oil drain-back, some say yes, some say no, and some say you'll start your engine dry with no oil.
Where to locate it - below the oil pan oil level, above the engine, on the firewall, on the fender well, ?????
Here is what I have just ordered for my build from Nitemare Performance - right or wrong. I wanted a complete kit that was a tried and proven set-up rather than cobble something together using individual pieces/parts and hope I got it right. I had a few questions which were answered promptly. I also have to trust in the person who uses and sells these or I will be second guessing myself forever and worry every time I fire up the engine and "notice" something suspicious that just doesn't look 100% right all the time.
Complete Pro Series Remote Oil Filter Setup
PJ to Darrin Magro email:
"I have never used a remote, and what I have researched on the internet has simply confused me more. Lot of opinions and I'm sure many haven't a clue what they are talking about, so excuse my ignorance.. So a couple of questions to sort through the internet BS/Myth's.
#1 . Biggest thing I read is the term "oil drain back." With the remote filter mounted on the firewall, when the engine is shut down, the oil can drain back down the lines leaving the lines dry and when the engine is fired up, bearings don't get any oil until the oil pressure builds up and wear of bearing/mating surfaces are accelerated.
#2 Location of oil filter with regards to the above. Some say it needs to be low on the firewall and mounting it above the engine will only make "oil drain back" worse. With no heater in the way on the firewall, that is about where I would locate the filter. I want people to see it, not bury it low out of obvious sight.
#3 A remote filter can lower oil pressure. I have the 60 PSI pump and I have read I may see an oil pressure drop of a few pounds. (Have a healthy iron head 455 build/TKO-600 5-speed/3.89 geared Ford 9"). Perhaps this is more due to where the mechanical oil pressure gauge reading is taken - engine or remote filter fitting?
#4 Any other considerations or pitfalls I may need to know about?"
Darrin Magro to PJ email reply:
"Most remote filter set ups got a bad rap because they are installed with really long lines with the filter attached to the radiator support and sometimes with twin filters. This set up reflects some of the issues you mentioned with this kind of set up, Ours is designed to be installed high on the fire wall, close to the motor. There is NO drain back of the filter, only of the lines, due to simple gravity. The filtration is superior and the oil runs cooler. An average of 7 HP can be expected over a standard oil housing with a stock filter. Extra clearance for headers is also a big benefit. When you first start the engine when COLD just run for the first 2 seconds at the lowest RPM possible till oil pressure comes up then you good. No issues when hot as the oil pumps quickly. The engine running for 2 seconds with no oil pressure wont do any harm as the bearings hold oil. Use Drivens HR1 Hot Rod oil, conventional based 15-50 #2 106 oil for best results. There is no oil pressure issues at all when driving or under load. We install this on EVERY motor we sell. Its absolutely the best single upgrade you can do to your oil system. Any more question please advise."
So there you have it. I am running Doug's headers so in using this set-up, the benefits are of course the oil filter clearance issues I won't have, no spilling of oil on the headers when it comes to changing filters, plus those outlined by Darrin. :thumbsup: