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Ok this is not GTO but I enjoyed the show. I just saw a Roush super charger install on 06 Mustang on HP TV on air again tomorrow 9/3. Nice kit clean install and fit, makes 100+ HP and doesn’t void warrantee only 6K. Wish there were a kit for GTO as nice as this one and didn’t void warrantee.
 

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Ok this is not GTO but I enjoyed the show. I just saw a Roush super charger install on 06 Mustang on HP TV on air again tomorrow 9/3. Nice kit clean install and fit, makes 100+ HP and doesn’t void warrantee only 6K. Wish there were a kit for GTO as nice as this one and didn’t void warrantee.
Funny, I just finished watching this off the ol' TiVO before I came online. New episodes of that show are scarse. Anyway, the install was nice but I was a bit dissapointed at the gains myself. $6000 they said the dropped on this, and it has a complex (by comparison) water intercooler to produce around 100HP gain. In contrast the Procharger kit for the GTO is air intercooled, installs under the hood like it is factory (unlike the Vortech) and gets you a 200+ gain for the same price. So, I think you can get a nicer kit for your goat but your warranty is going bye-bye.
 

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Funny, I just finished watching this off the ol' TiVO before I came online. New episodes of that show are scarse. Anyway, the install was nice but I was a bit dissapointed at the gains myself. $6000 they said the dropped on this, and it has a complex (by comparison) water intercooler to produce around 100HP gain. In contrast the Procharger kit for the GTO is air intercooled, installs under the hood like it is factory (unlike the Vortech) and gets you a 200+ gain for the same price. So, I think you can get a nicer kit for your goat but your warranty is going bye-bye.
but to get the pro to do that kind of hp, you"ll have to change the pulley and raise the psi up to around 16 psi and then at that psi you have to look to do some crank and rod work to keep it all together. I like maggie( do you think she like me):lol:
 

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but to get the pro to do that kind of hp, you"ll have to change the pulley and raise the psi up to around 16 psi and then at that psi you have to look to do some crank and rod work to keep it all together. I like maggie( do you think she like me):lol:
Thats not what they are advertising. Click this link Tbyrne and choose "Superchargers" from the left and then scroll to the "ATI Supercharger" section and read there. I have no first hand knowledge to support the claims but, thats what they are claiming.
 

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Thats not what they are advertising. Click this link Tbyrne and choose "Superchargers" from the left and then scroll to the "ATI Supercharger" section and read there. I have no first hand knowledge to support the claims but, thats what they are claiming.
:cool just gave it look, it don't say any think about that. but this is what I here about the gto. plus have a freind that through a rod on his lighting. because he put on to small of a pulley. and the motor couldn't handle it(he was doing a 125 mph when it blew up) I thought that they had the dyno specs for the pro. mite of been a differant site.
 

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:cool just gave it look, it don't say any think about that. but this is what I here about the gto. plus have a freind that through a rod on his lighting. because he put on to small of a pulley. and the motor couldn't handle it(he was doing a 125 mph when it blew up) I thought that they had the dyno specs for the pro. mite of been a differant site.
I dunno where you got the info from :). I did 474 to the wheels with my Procharger on my 05 on a hot (97+) day with the kit as-it came- that is about 145 or so over the average stock dyno numbers- again, this was on a hot day with a poor tune and no fans. I have since changed the pulley and added alky and did 546 to the wheels with a still poor tune (will be getting done this week). A procharger with a good tune will easily make ~175 or so over stock- especially with good supporting mods. My car was 100% bone stock (manifolds, cats, fuel pump and all) with the blower when it did the 546. I just installed the Kooks and will be doing a pump and retune this week and should get upper 5's out of it...

As for "blowing up at 125", tell him to learn to tune and not overboost and he'll be fine- it has nothing to do with the brand of blower, just how it is used :). That's like blaming the gun here.....
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I dunno where you got the info from :). I did 474 to the wheels with my Procharger on my 05 on a hot (97+) day with the kit as-it came- that is about 145 or so over the average stock dyno numbers- again, this was on a hot day with a poor tune and no fans. I have since changed the pulley and added alky and did 546 to the wheels with a still poor tune (will be getting done this week). A procharger with a good tune will easily make ~175 or so over stock- especially with good supporting mods. My car was 100% bone stock (manifolds, cats, fuel pump and all) with the blower when it did the 546. I just installed the Kooks and will be doing a pump and retune this week and should get upper 5's out of it...

As for "blowing up at 125", tell him to learn to tune and not overboost and he'll be fine- it has nothing to do with the brand of blower, just how it is used :). That's like blaming the gun here.....
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thanx, for posting. you had given me some info awhile back when I first started to look at blowers.I didn't think that the procharger made that much hp at 8 psi. good to here it strait from the birds mouth. that guy with the lighting think he has a whipple not the pro. I just worry about killing my motor with over powering the bottom end. I'll have to rethink what charger to put in. can you tell me what psi your at now and didn't you have the dyno chart from your gto, thanx again
 

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thanx, for posting. you had given me some info awhile back when I first started to look at blowers.I didn't think that the procharger made that much hp at 8 psi. good to here it strait from the birds mouth. that guy with the lighting think he has a whipple not the pro. I just worry about killing my motor with over powering the bottom end. I'll have to rethink what charger to put in. can you tell me what psi your at now and didn't you have the dyno chart from your gto, thanx again
No problem. It was actually around 6.5-7 psi when it did the 474 :). I am running 10 psi with alky now. Here is the dynochart from my 543 run (keep thinking it was 546- it is 542.6 lol). Ignore the line on the 538 hp mark, we were checking to see where the car tarted leaning out and he left the marker up there. As you can see from the AFR on the bottom, it needs a new tune- I am still using the stock procharger tune that came with the blower lol.

If the tune is right and boost is kept reasonable, there is no reason you should blow the motor.
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No problem. It was actually around 6.5-7 psi when it did the 474 :). I am running 10 psi with alky now. Here is the dynochart from my 543 run (keep thinking it was 546- it is 542.6 lol). Ignore the line on the 538 hp mark, we were checking to see where the car tarted leaning out and he left the marker up there.

If the tune is right and boost is kept reasonable, there is no reason you should blow the motor.
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:cheers those are some good numbers. mabe the pro is the better way to go. since I will be putting it on myself, looks a bit easyer to do. plus like you told me the first time you can mod the pro more. thanx
 

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Ok, so do superchargers void our warranties or not? Are there certain ones that do where other don't? I keep reading different answers.
 

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Roush is certified by Ford but they could still say you modified the kit or did something wrong. I don’t know of any kit GM certified and with 11/1 compression the LS is not setup for a lot of boost, yes people do all kinds of things but that don’t make it good. There are insurance policies you can buy for 36k mi power train coverage. That don’t mean you gna collect. I work with extended warrantees and all they have to do is claim abuse. You have to use the correct term to get paid. My experience with GM they don’t cover anything they don’t want to cover. Yet when you buy car its bumper to bumper 3/36. I have been trying to talk to rep for almost a yr. talk about runaround.
Far as the Roush I liked no permanent holes cut in body and wiring had adapters that plugged in to mod wiring. The Magnusson for example you cut up wiring and use but connectors to splice wiring, tacky. They could make colored coded wiring harness that match and plug into connectors. Or just replace sub harness with new one. I would pay more, If that were the case I probably would buy one cant get GM to warrantee car anyway I would be happy with 500-550 HP for driver! Just my $.02:cheers
 

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:cheers those are some good numbers. mabe the pro is the better way to go. since I will be putting it on myself, looks a bit easyer to do. plus like you told me the first time you can mod the pro more. thanx
I'm curious to see how the MP122 Maggie will do also, looks like it has potential. I just have always liked the centrifigul blowers. I did order a Maggie because of all the hype about them originally, but due to issues with Magnacharger, it got cancelled and I went with the Procharger- glad I did! Yes, the Maggie gives near instant torque at ~2000 rpms, but this is a small block- if you are flooring it at 2000 rpm's- you need to learn to downshift :). For me, it would be a centri blower or a turbo. If I do too much more with the car, I may consider selling the blower and going turbo and making BIG numbers though- turbos have always been my thing anyway- www.joepmbc.com- that's me :).

If you have any questions, feel free to PM.
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Ok, so do superchargers void our warranties or not? Are there certain ones that do where other don't? I keep reading different answers.

If you have to ask this and warranty is a concern to you- this isn't for you, you should just leave the car stock :)...

Seriously though- Maggie offers an "aftermarket" drivetrain warranty that will cover drivetrain parts using a "stock" maggie setup (no changes permitted IIRC)- but it has to also be installed by an authorized installer and I heard it is still tough to get a claim approved- don't know first hand though.

I personally do not care about the drivetrain warranty as I bought this car with the plans on modding it from day one, besides- 9 out of 10 times, my cars never go to the dealer for repair work, I do it myself anyway as long as it doesn't cost too much or if there is an aftermarket upgrade available. I would rather do it myself and make sure it is right- I have had too many bad experiences with dealer "techs" making the car worse than it was before they worked on it.

Also, the dealer cannot "blanket void" your warranty also due to mods- if you do the blower and, say, your AC controls go bad- they still have to fix it. If they give you a hard time- take it to a dealer who knows what they are talking about.
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I' I may consider selling the blower and going turbo and making BIG numbers though- turbos have always been my thing anyway- www.joepmbc.com- that's me :).

can turbos put down big numbers. I know the gxn is fast and that only a 3.8 but my friend said they are not to fast if it's not inercooled. he took me for a ride in his and we wher just cruiseing at about 50-55 and he steped on it and smoked the tires. I thought o.k. the tires must be pretty worn(not) they wher brand new. dam that think was fast. I had a 87 buick reagel and built a 350 4 bolt main with, 202 valves, turbo 350 trans with a heavy duty shift kit on the line, holly 650 and so on. and I don't think I could of touch him. he dose have a big cam, headers and runnig at up to 15 psi boost.
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can turbos put down big numbers. I know the gxn is fast and that only a 3.8 but my friend said they are not to fast if it's not inercooled. he took me for a ride in his and we wher just cruiseing at about 50-55 and he steped on it and smoked the tires. I thought o.k. the tires must be pretty worn(not) they wher brand new. dam that think was fast. I had a 87 buick reagel and built a 350 4 bolt main with, 202 valves, turbo 350 trans with a heavy duty shift kit on the line, holly 650 and so on. and I don't think I could of touch him. he dose have a big cam, headers and runnig at up to 15 psi boost.
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Yes, turbos are capable of making huge numbers, plus they hit so hard when they spool :). The GN/GNX cars are good examples- but remember they are 20 years old, so turbo technology has come a long way since then :). 15 psi is nothing on a GN, I used to run ~20-21 psi with my GN and 89 Turbo TA (same motor). Also, cams generally hurt those cars unless it is really built up. Most people run the stock cam and manifolds well into the 11's.

If I did go turbo though, I don't think I would buy a kit- they price gouge too much! I would probably piece it together myself.

Wanna buy a procharger setup lol?
Joe
 
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