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Gonna give it a try today.
Nervous but excited.
Stay tuned
thanks all for the fantastic help
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WOW.
Good luck to you Instg!!!! :cheers
all I have to do is pull it out in the driveway and put in my 6 gallons of 100LL AVGAS.
And make wifey a pot when she wakes up (it's "her car")
takes another sip of Becks and goes back to bed 'till the rain stops.
:cheers :D :cheers


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wish thats alll i had to do....LOL, have it hovering over the bay now, just waiting on my motor guy to get here....take a vid clip when you get her running Top....
 

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I learned...... after puttin' it back together and restarting there are tweaks and adjustments.... pesky leaks, proper tuning.... man it didn't do this before now it does and visa versa..... Its a grab your heart moment.... but after tweaking re-tweaking and adjusting it turns out....... boy am I glad I did it.
 

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:cheers Congrats you two! I'm still out of town on a business trip but will be back home tomorrow. I expect to find video of two healthy Pontiacs when I get home.... :party:


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Yes indeed, Congrats!!! A nervous moment with a lot of trepidation, anxiety, fears, and worries, but about as good as it gets. Have fun.
 

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well hell, it didnt start. so I callled my "duty old person" that's (in my book supposed to know everything)
I need a new battery, even jumping it with my 6 cyl jeep cherokee,didnt make enough oomph to start it .
Im getting a real weak spark.
He said it needs to spin faster.new motor and all
stay tuned..........
 

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engine is in the bay wrestled with header bolts most of the afternoon, one more to go, man there is 0 clearance on the rear mid bolt need a 45 degree open end, may have to heat and bend one of mine, other than that it dropped right in...hopefully get it bolted up tonight and wired up tomorrow, will start a new thread as not to Hijack Tops
 

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yer ok my brother.....:cheers
it's always that dam 1 bolt.......
got a new battery and will try again later ,
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:willy:I got a new battery and tried again today.even jumpered in the battery on my F350. still nothing. It turns over fine and I know I have the dist hooked up properly.
Yesterday I had a weak spark. Didnt ckeck today.
I know the motor is tight from everything being new, but im not getting anything.
I wonder if the starter may play a role in this? Like it being old and not enough "oompf"?
Yesterday and today,the first turn of the starter ,it made a whirring noise and didnt turn the motor over.
As the motor was cranking I moved the distributor a bit at a time over both directions of its full motion.NOTHING
I got annoyed and pulled the dist and removed the Pertronix2 and put the stock points back in (which I know nothing of.)
still NOTHING.:confused
Im pouring gas into the carb.(not sure if the carb is pumping or even where to look to see if it is.)
NOTHING
will the stock points work with my high voltage wires and my .6 ohm coil?
Should I put the Pertronix back in?
even if I got the timing wrong, shouldnt I still be getting a VVVVVVVVVVv.......POP!!??:willy:
What now?
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Stop. Pull number one spark plug and look at it. Gas fouled or dry? Next get number one cylinder to TDC on compression stroke. Verify position of timing mark on balancer and position of distributor. If ok, replace plug. Pull coil wire away from coil tower and hold it there with about 1/4" gap. Have your buddy crank the engine. Do not touch the car with your body while doing this, you could get zapped. Do you have spark?? If not, check the dwell of the points with a dwellmeter. You want 30 degrees. You need spark, fuel, and compression to light up a motor, and it all has to happen in perfect sequence. You could have an ignition problem, (dizzy in 180 out or wrong), a fuel suppply problem (fuel pump hooked up backwards, etc) or a mechanical problem (timing chain installed incorrectly). If your ignition timing is in the ballpark, your valve timing is correct and you have fuel, it should fire up in a half a turn. Sum Sing Wong.
 

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Stop. Pull number one spark plug and look at it. Gas fouled or dry? Next get number one cylinder to TDC on compression stroke. Verify position of timing mark on balancer and position of distributor. If ok, replace plug. Pull coil wire away from coil tower and hold it there with about 1/4" gap. Have your buddy crank the engine. Do not touch the car with your body while doing this, you could get zapped. Do you have spark?? If not, check the dwell of the points with a dwellmeter. You want 30 degrees. You need spark, fuel, and compression to light up a motor, and it all has to happen in perfect sequence. You could have an ignition problem, (dizzy in 180 out or wrong), a fuel suppply problem (fuel pump hooked up backwards, etc) or a mechanical problem (timing chain installed incorrectly). If your ignition timing is in the ballpark, your valve timing is correct and you have fuel, it should fire up in a half a turn. Sum Sing Wong.
:agree One thing you don't want to do is grind and grind and grind on the starter ---- on a fresh motor that's a good way to wipe out the cam. If it's not lighting off almost immediately, then indeed "sum sing wong". Back to the basics. Verify you're getting spark. Don't check anything else until you're positive you have spark. Plugs wet with fuel, so you're probably getting fuel. Got spark and fuel and still no work-y, time to check distributor indexing. Remove the driver's side valve cover, position timing marks on the balancer to TDC with both valves on #1 cylinder (front drivers side) CLOSED. (TDC on exhaust stroke will have #1 exhaust valve open). With #1 at TDC compression stroke, verify the distributor contact on the rotor is pointing to #1 plug wire. (If not, you can either pull the dizzy and reposition or just rewire the cap so that #1 is aligned with the rotor, then rewire from there following the firing sequence in a counterclockwise direction). If you've got spark, fuel, correct alignment - then it WILL start and run unless you didn't install the tming chain correctly (and you actually have two chances to have gotten that right) or misadjusted the valves -really- badly.

Have faith and be patient. It's just an enigne, not something hard like a computer.

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I had same issue when trying to start mine for the first time, ended up being a loose wire from starter to distributor. got it straightened out and it scared the bejeezus out of me when it fired, haha. good luck, I hope you find your gremlin!
 

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i always static time a fresh engine to ensure fast start up. here is how i do it. set timing marks on the balancer at 6 btdc at no 1 tdc verified by feeling for compression. then turn on the key and loosen the distributor clamp. put an old spark plug in the no 1 wire and ground it to the engine. you should now be able to rotate the dist by hand and trigger a spark in the no 1 spark plug wire. if not you are off somewhere. tighten the dist at the exact point it sparks and you are within a couple degrees of perfect. it saves a lot of guesswork at the most critical time of startup for a new cam.
 

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Im gonna put the pertroix back in. at least I know i was getting a spark with it.
whats a dizzy?
with #1 out and tapping the starter with my finger in the hole, my finger should get blown out as the timing mark approches TDC on Comp?
wire from the dist to starter? I have 12VDC on the coil.
I didnt have anything done to the heads but hot tanked....makes me wonder.
I couldnt adjust them as you guys advised. I just set them to 20lbs ,rotated the motor about 120 and did 20 2 more times. I never did actually actually verify all the valves opening and closing,while rotating the moror by hand. other than 1 :confused
I know I got the timing gears in correctly.
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Im gonna put the pertroix back in. at least I know i was getting a spark with it.[/quoate]

That would be a good thing. If the plugs are badly fouled then they might need cleaning too.

[quoste] whats a dizzy?
Sorry.... "dizzy" = distributor

with #1 out and tapping the starter with my finger in the hole, my finger should get blown out as the timing mark approches TDC on Comp?
Yep

wire from the dist to starter? I have 12VDC on the coil.
If you're getting spark, then you know all of that's good.

I didnt have anything done to the heads but hot tanked....makes me wonder. I couldnt adjust them as you guys advised. I just set them to 20lbs ,rotated the motor about 120 and did 20 2 more times. I never did actually actually verify all the valves opening and closing,while rotating the moror by hand. other than 1 :confused
That 20 ft lbs setting is correct for factory rocker studs, rockers, and ball nuts - only. For each one it's advised that you torque it only when you're sure the lifter on that valve is on the cam base circle, othewise valve spring tension could give you a false torque reading. Setting them all will require two complete crank revolutions, 90 degrees at a time. Start when you see #1 exhaust valve just starting to open, then set #1 INTAKE. Do each intake valve in firing order sequence just as you see the corresponding exhaust valve starting to open. (or the pushrod just starting to rise). Once you've set all the intakes, start over on the exhaust valves in the same sequence - setting each one as you see the intake valve on that cylinder just beginning to CLOSE (pushrod just beginning to fall).

I know I got the timing gears in correctly.
thanks
Good deal. You'll get there.

Bear
 
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