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As much as we all love seeing GTOs being used and showing up at the local haunts there's usually something about certain ones that, well, "get my goat". One of the top 3 is the use of wheels in excess of 16". They visually disturb the profile regardless of their assumed performance advantage. 2 giant hoops become an unavoidable focal point and the eye sees them much closer together than proper rallys or period 15s. Another is cheap steering wheels. I get it, they might have a limited budget or the washer/dryer/fridge puked while parts were being picked, but why that thickazzed $80 wooden wannabe? OEM standard is better, isn't it? Only the gratuitous billet wheel that looks like the big hoops outside are worse than the bargain barn woody. Yet another is a pot luck version of engine dress. Old M/T valve covers with a billet air cleaner, slide on stainless over hoses, wires skewed so bad it looks like a bad plate of pasta. I never comment to those I see with such things as I always remember, "...at least it's out on the road..." or "...glad they're having fun..." but it doesn't make the mix any better on the eyes.

I didn't bother with mentioning LS conversions as there's nice long topic on that, but most take the whole farm, goats and all! So pony up kids, what gets your goat? I'm sure some of you might say "...guys who don't like my (insert any of the above)..." so I just saved you the trouble:biggrin2:
 

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You guys nailed it. For me, number one is Ghetto wheels (anything over 16") They are in poor taste, and do not complement the lines of these vehicles at all. Like putting a velvet Elvis painting on the living room wall. Clueless. Number two is the long knitting needle 'quick release' valve cover hold downs (looks incredibly stupid), along with the slip-on braided hoses, and number 3 is the Buick engine size call-out on 'restored cars'. An additional one is all the nicely restored '65 GTO's out there with high price tags, but the seat covers are installed with the pattern running backwards. And they're usually PUI covers. Terrible.
 

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100% agree about to ghetto wheels, I don't even like 16's on a muscle car. I hate the people that can't look at your car without putting their hands on the paint and chrome. I mean you spend hours cleaning and polishing the car, have some fricken respect. Mostly I hate people that use the term "numbers matching" wrong. If it's not the original drivetrain, it's period correct at best. Don't tell me the engine is out of a 76 trans am and then say it's numbers matching.
 

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Aluminum heads, don't like to see them on classics.
Talk about people touching your car, at the drag strip one day had a bunch of Mexicans (not that that matters) with a ricer car in front of me. One of them while talking on the phone with one hand sets his soda on my car and cracks it open with the other hand sending pop all over the back of my GTO. I went the F*** off on him. About 20 of them come over and start giving me crap, it was awesome, within 30 seconds about 40 other racers came over to defend me and the GTO.
 

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You guys nailed it. For me, number one is Ghetto wheels (anything over 16") They are in poor taste, and do not complement the lines of these vehicles at all. Like putting a velvet Elvis painting on the living room wall. Clueless. Number two is the long knitting needle 'quick release' valve cover hold downs (looks incredibly stupid), along with the slip-on braided hoses, and number 3 is the Buick engine size call-out on 'restored cars'. An additional one is all the nicely restored '65 GTO's out there with high price tags, but the seat covers are installed with the "" pattern running backwards "" . And they're usually PUI covers. Terrible.
painted bumpers ..what are they thinking ..oh yeah my seat covers are backwards :cryin: ........but there from Year One :tongue:
 

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LOL. I very much dislike seeing a gto motor or any classic car with "universal" radiator flex hoses. they look like crap on an engine and put unwanted stress on the radiator necks. you can buy the correct formed hose for damn near any engine ever made. and for a custom application, you can go to an auto parts store n find one that will work. you might have to cut off a section. as hideous as they are, I still see them on engines.ughhh.
 

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oh yeah, these "billet" engine pulley kits look like crap also. stock painted black like they are supposed to be is what I like to see on a poncho motor.
 

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LOL. I very much dislike seeing a gto motor or any classic car with "universal" radiator flex hoses. they look like crap on an engine and put unwanted stress on the radiator necks. you can buy the correct formed hose for damn near any engine ever made. and for a custom application, you can go to an auto parts store n find one that will work. you might have to cut off a section. as hideous as they are, I still see them on engines.ughhh.
THAT irks the $hit out of me! Flex hoses are temporary fixes at best and have no permanent place under the hood. I've seen this on more cars than just GTO's and I walk away. It tells me that someone doesn't care to "get it right". Worse... When I see these car restoration shows use them. They don't say they're using them, but the end up in the final build and you see them when they're showing off the finished product. Grrrrr!
 

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A couple of times at open car shows I've heard people comment about my car that it's not a real GTO because it has a post....
 

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This doesn't really have anything to do with classic Pontiacs (or classic cars at all for that matter). What I hate seeing is late model cars at shows that have not been modified in any way. I can go to the dealership and see a 2014 Corvette, I don't need to look at 10 of them at a local cruise night. To me, it is the same as the owner throwing his wallet in the parking space so we can all admire his huge bank account. Now I will say, a modified late model is another story, I will start off by saying I am not into the whole Fast and Furious thing. However, I do appreciate the time some of these younger guys put into their rides. So I guess hating on that part of the car hobby bothers me as well. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Well, I actually hadn't considered the 'people' part because most of them are truly like all of us. Still, there's always that 1 or 2 isn't there? Aside from GTOs and Pontiacs I play in the concours sand box. I find it amusing, or maybe ironic, when someone goes to a concours and has negative comments about most of what they see. Usually it's that same BS about "...never that good..." or "Those colors aren't real...". How does someone pay $50 or more for a ticket to enter only to dis the cars there? Really? As far whether or not they were "that good", you bet your hood tach they were. A Model A Ford was $495, a Packard conv. was $3200. HeII a Duesenberg chassis was $8500 and you commissioned a coachbuilder for a body! If you couldn't pick a piece of pepper out of your teeth in the finish it was unacceptable.

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The "Joe Dirt look". i get it, i got my license in the early 80's and put quarter flairs and Hi-jackers on my 69' firebird totally destroying the the rear body lines, handling and ride quality. All this in an attempt to get the widest tires possible in there. You know the saying, "young, dumb....etc.". What were we thinking!!!

Heard a beastly car fire up at my harley mechanic neighbors on Sunday morning after a late night bonfire. Without my glasses and mandatory 3 cups of coffee, i looked out at what appeared to be (through the shrubs) a Canary Yellow Mopar which looked to have three feet between bumper and road backing out. As i slip on my glasses and he cuts it facing my way i realize this abomination is a 66' GTO. I nearly ran out to make him a cash offer just to put it in my barn until time and money would allow me to restore the cars dignity.
 

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Yes, the loudest cries come from the cheapest seats, in my experience. I used to ask the armchair critics "where's your car parked?", but it seems they never have a car of their own to be judged. So I gave up. If I heard a comment like "it isn't a real GTO 'cause it's a post", I'd simply slip away without comment, and let their ignorance gather strength. Who cares about those types of people? Not I. Yes, and the new car, or worse new bike at an event. "Nice Harley!" Yes, it is. He went down to the dealer and picked it up last week for 20k. It OUGHT to be 'nice'. Geez...........
 

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It's just me, but I don't like to see an aftermarket battery in a classic "restored" or "survivor" muscle car. If it's a resto-mod, it's OK to see an aftermarket battery.

But in a "restored" or "survivor" GM muscle car, I much prefer to see a Delco battery. In a nice restoration, I prefer to see the correct Delco battery.

I have a reproduction Delco R-59 in mine. A maintenance-free unit in an original appearance R-59 case. Expensive, but worth it to me.
 

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Chevy power, but we won't go there. Clones -add a GTO hood and its cool, add all the other emblems/rear light panels/grilles/Judge decals etc. pee's me off. Pipe organ speakers, the doggie in the back with the bobbing head, dingle balls around the windows, that tinted decal "Pontiac" applied to the top inside of your front windshield, and the name you give your car emblazoned on the rear quarter. I like chrome, not polished aluminum. M/T valve covers are cool when painted black and the fins polished, not all polished or all painted. Air shocks to crank up the rear of the car to stuff in those wide tires is not cool UNLESS you raise that front end to give you a slight rake of a stance. Keystone rims -they only work on Chrysler bodies. Lowering the suspension so the car sits waaaay low and the tires and rims are stuffed up into the wheel wells. The biiiig rims and low profile rubber band tires. Quiet exhaust systems. Drivers/owners who don't go over 2,500 RPM when they shift and drive it like their car is a delicate flower. TRAILER QUEENS. Being told the car was restored to factory and the owner wants $40K, only to look down the side and see all the waves from the improper sanding techniques of a DA sander. And what really gets my goat is.......they guy who owns a GTO and simply keeps it parked in the garage and never drives it.
 

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It's just me, but I don't like to see an aftermarket battery in a classic "restored" or "survivor" muscle car. If it's a resto-mod, it's OK to see an aftermarket battery.

But in a "restored" or "survivor" GM muscle car, I much prefer to see a Delco battery. In a nice restoration, I prefer to see the correct Delco battery.

I have a reproduction Delco R-59 in mine. A maintenance-free unit in an original appearance R-59 case. Expensive, but worth it to me.
I got an R-59 battery topper. Most people don't notice that it's just a top. Gives that period correct look with less expense. Plus it's reusable.
 

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Nice car with a character painted on the side (Yosemite Sam comes to mind on a local GTO), unless it's a Road Runner on a Road Runner. Always makes me think they should be in a Tarantino movie, "Zeds' dead Baby...".
 

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Nice car with a character painted on the side (Yosemite Sam comes to mind on a local GTO), unless it's a Road Runner on a Road Runner. Always makes me think they should be in a Tarantino movie, "Zeds' dead Baby...".
"What do they look like Jimmy?"

"Dorks, they look like a couple a dorks..."
 
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