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This year the proposed budget of the United States of America is $3,810,000,000,000.00. Our current population is 308,000,000.

That means the cost of Government is $12,370.13 per person. So if you have a family of 4 the net taxes paid to equal services rendered is $49,480.52.

Our national debt, or the amount of money the Government has spent more than it has taken in over it's 234 year history, is over $40,000 for every man woman and child. Most of that since 2000. Yep Bush sucked. Not as bad as Obama but close.

If the Government was to confiscate all the assets of the top 400 wealthiest people the debt would be reduced by 10 percent. If it confiscated the wealth of the top 1000 wealthiest the debt would be reduced 13 percent. It would take the government confiscating the assets of the top 42% of the wealthiest people in America to pay our debt off. A lot of ordinary people fall into that top 42%.

Folks we are on the verge of bankruptcy.

Don't vote for a candidate promising you free things. They will just bankrupt you and your country further.

Vote for the candidate that will decrease the size of Government and it's intrusion into your life. Vote for the candidate that will take this burden off your backs by reducing what is given away.

Remeber you can do a better job of managing your life than any politicain or Government worker.
 

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I agree, Bush wasn't the greatest president we ever had, but b/4 Obama's done, Obama will make "W" look like the best thing since sliced bread....

 

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This year the proposed budget of the United States of America is $3,810,000,000,000.00. Our current population is 308,000,000.

That means the cost of Government is $12,370.13 per person. So if you have a family of 4 the net taxes paid to equal services rendered is $49,480.52.

Our national debt, or the amount of money the Government has spent more than it has taken in over it's 234 year history, is over $40,000 for every man woman and child. Most of that since 2000. Yep Bush sucked. Not as bad as Obama but close.

If the Government was to confiscate all the assets of the top 400 wealthiest people the debt would be reduced by 10 percent. If it confiscated the wealth of the top 1000 wealthiest the debt would be reduced 13 percent. It would take the government confiscating the assets of the top 42% of the wealthiest people in America to pay our debt off. A lot of ordinary people fall into that top 42%.

Folks we are on the verge of bankruptcy.

Don't vote for a candidate promising you free things. They will just bankrupt you and your country further.

Vote for the candidate that will decrease the size of Government and it's intrusion into your life. Vote for the candidate that will take this burden off your backs by reducing what is given away.

Remeber you can do a better job of managing your life than any politicain or Government worker.
Two things:
The National Debt doesn't matter... as the Federal Reserve issues as much of both paper and electronic currency to the government in the form of loans as it needs, which are then packaged and sold as "Treasury Bonds" to the international community and general public.

The national Debt Does matter... as it's a gauge to the risk factor on Treasury Bonds. Yes it's money the US owes as a whole, but when you add outstanding obligations like Social Security, Medicare/aid, and government pensions, the national debt looks like pocket change.

Folks we are on the verge of bankruptcy.
The solution: purchase .999 (or .9999 if you can find them) fine gold and silver coins. It is Constitutionally legal money, and it is independent of the Federal Reserve system. It can't be taxed (capital gains don't count, as the value of the coin remains the same, but the units that it is valued in change), and the government will never know you own it.

How do you think I turned $6,000 into enough money for a 4 year old GTO? :D
 

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If G Gordon Liddy is sellin....... I ain't buying.... This is the sound of Gold from Rosland Capital...... This is the sound of the prison door slamming behind me and thanks to the worse President in history... (until Obama's term is over) Jimmy Carter I only did 8 instead of 20 years. I am a felon, take my word as GOLD.
 

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Reps and Dems. Pffft. None of them work for us really. As far as I'm concerned the U.S. is "governed" by a single party that pretends to be two.
 

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+1 Behind closed doors, they're best of friends. They're both working towards higher taxes and rewriting the Constitution. One side pretends to be fascists and the other side pretends to be communists, while keeping the populace distracted with convenient global conflicts to hide the blatantness of their oligarchy. Both sides play their games exactly the same (campaign contributions, lobbyists, getting elected and laughing at their constituents). Also notice how they will temporarily make peace to join forces and gang up on any 3rd party challengers and effectively cut them out of the media... 3rd parties challenge their system of complacency and politics of failure, which is not good for their line of work.
 

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IMO: If this Tea Party has someone running for president on the Tea Party ticket this will secure this President a 2nd term. Those opposing him now will have to decide between 2 others, between those 2 neither will muster enough votes by themselves to unseat the incumbent. While a majority of the country has embraced the cause and jumped on board I really feel that in the end it will do more harm than good in the terms of an election. The Tea Party must join up with the Repubs in order to unseat him however there is so much corruption I don't see it happening.

Fox news showed a pole. If the election were held today Obama would still win. the count was 44% for him and 42% for an undeclared candidate. So while all the criticism of him festers and his poll ratings near the in the 30% mark, people are still mesmerized by him.
 

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Reactionary TPers are already being infiltrated by republicans and failed neo-cons just like the libertarian party is.
 

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Two things:
The National Debt doesn't matter... as the Federal Reserve issues as much of both paper and electronic currency to the government in the form of loans as it needs, which are then packaged and sold as "Treasury Bonds" to the international community and general public.

The national Debt Does matter... as it's a gauge to the risk factor on Treasury Bonds. Yes it's money the US owes as a whole, but when you add outstanding obligations like Social Security, Medicare/aid, and government pensions, the national debt looks like pocket change.



The solution: purchase .999 (or .9999 if you can find them) fine gold and silver coins. It is Constitutionally legal money, and it is independent of the Federal Reserve system. It can't be taxed (capital gains don't count, as the value of the coin remains the same, but the units that it is valued in change), and the government will never know you own it.

How do you think I turned $6,000 into enough money for a 4 year old GTO? :D
I bought gold about 2-1/2 years ago at about $480 per ounce. I held it till it went over $1000 and sold. Bought again at $798 and sold at $1160 ( missed the $1200 by about a week).

I'm thinking of buying again.
 

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What if Chuck Norris ran for president?
I don't care who runs for President as long as they realize that the Federal Government needs to be cut in size. Let the states run their own domestic Government programs and the Feds take care of what they are Constitutionally authorized to do.
 

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What if Chuck Norris ran for president?
ahhhhhhhhhh ole CHUCK.....

Invasion USA? Why, ole Braddock he would be driving around with his 2 uzi's shooting Islam warriors in the streets. ROSTOF, it's time to die...... LOLOL.... He'd then get in his Dodge Ram and he'd Ranger Walker the country into Lone Wolf Mcquade who would interrogate terrorists despite the Code of Silence and the Colombian neckties. He'd assemble the Delta Force and fly into Iran and dismantle the nuke program with his Good Guys wear black attitudes all in a Silent Rage. General Trau you have been found guilty of crimes against humanity..... and this one is for Chester........

President Braddock... VP. John Rambo? Secretary of Defense Nico Toscani (Steven Segal) Speaker of the house: John Matrix (Ahhhhnold)

Why not.... the cast running the country now is out of a horror flick.
 

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I bought gold about 2-1/2 years ago at about $480 per ounce. I held it till it went over $1000 and sold. Bought again at $798 and sold at $1160 ( missed the $1200 by about a week).

I'm thinking of buying again.
That's pretty sweet. I just sold some on Thursday to pay off the rest of my house. I don't have much left, but with the money I save I can accumulate some more. It seems like a good investment no matter what the price... as long as you don't buy in on a freak upswing that crashes the next week. I've been following it since 2003-2004, and the general trend is just up, up, up. It's taken me a while to get used to it's starts and fits, but now that I can get a better feel for when tops are forming, I should trade in/out more instead of simply buying and holding. It's fun stuff, feels real good in your hands too. Because it's real... you can feel it's value. Unlike that funny paper stuff. :cheers
 

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I don't care who runs for President as long as they realize that the Federal Government needs to be cut in size. Let the states run their own domestic Government programs and the Feds take care of what they are Constitutionally authorized to do.

liberal (read here as wide open not left leaning) interpretation of Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 gives the federal government the "legal right" to intrude where it shouldn't. It also gives it reason to ignore what it shouldn't.
 

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liberal (read here as wide open not left leaning) interpretation of Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 gives the federal government the "legal right" to intrude where it shouldn't. It also gives it reason to ignore what it shouldn't.
And there lies the problem. We now have the possibility that the federal government will use that wide open interpretation to empower the EPA and some other government offices to control our lives for the common good.

The founding fathers distrusted big government and we should keep that in mind when interpreting anything in the Constitution. When in doubt we should assume that the right view is the one that allows personal freedom and reins in the power of the government.
 
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